– So here’s my rant. And I’ll see you in three years. I don’t care if you buy an NFT. I really don’t care.( upbeat music) You got your perspective. I simply wanna be happy.Don’t you wanna be happy?( trendy move instrumentals) – Hey, this is the NonFunGerbils podcast NFP with your legion DKleine.And today I have a veryspecial guest, GaryVee. Welcome to the show. – I genuinely appreciate it. Thank you for having me. – Okay, this is wild. I have to say to you. I’m pretty excited about this. I actually appreciate youmaking meter for this. – Thank you, thank you forsaying that, I’m flattered. I’m really excited to be on it honestly.- Yeah, I’ve noticed you’re making relatively the deep dive into the whole NFT art scene the last couple of periods, I’ve seen you all over the place. I saw you on CryptoCampfire the other day. – Hmm! – Tell me about, you know it seems like when you’re doing something you just go full board at it. – I actually do. And I genuinely, you know, it’s funny beings don’t know this about me since they are receive all the energy. You know, what’s so funny, I think so much of the energy that I imparting has to do with the fact that usually, it’s because I’ve been pent up for three to four months about something I’m energized about, right? So for example, youknow, with sports cards which was something similar that I came very passionate about, you are familiar with I grew up passionate about it and then I got particularly, very passionate about it about three years ago, it was several, several months, maybe almost a year on that one that I was doing real homework before I had come out and said this, that, and the other thing.Now, I’ve been doing lightweight homework, you are familiar with since probably the summer months, you are familiar with, on NFTs. The intellect I bought Ethereum in 2016 after AaronBattalion, large-scale shout out to Aaron Battalion formerCTO of Living Social, huge VC, immense technologists, educated me on it at South by Southwest. Was basically the understanding of the potential of what became NFTs. Like I was like, Oh, okay, this isn’t money this is framer buildon time, you know like, scaffold and so, I believe I get so loud and stimulated’ stimulate I’ve been wanting to be thunderou and aroused for months. I mostly do 60, 70% of my knowledge base before I say a few words to the world.- Hmm! – For example, I’ve been doing that with BR quite a bit, I’m very deep into BR more than parties think’cause I never talk about. Even this mentioned isalready a great deal for me by my standards, becauseI don’t like to talk about things that I don’tknow anything about. Now, I don’t mind to be in this place where I’m like, hey, I have some real rulings and understandings and thoughts and postulates, comma.There’s still a lot ofthings I need to know to really feel comfortable the room I do about social media orwine or sports cards. But I don’t feel like I’ll be perplexed. I feel like I understand my point of view on what the consumers aregonna do with that FT. I feel like I can speak, I can speak to ERC-2 0 and ERC-7 21 and I can speak to cryptopunks and larva labs. And I can speak to Pepe being a BTC a Bitcoin version of like I can, you are familiar with, I understand what wrapping is now. Like, you are familiar with, like I can, I can I can hang fairly where I’m not consume people’s time because what I’m great at according to my mother, but in all seriousness what I’m very comfortable withis shopper behaviour. I necessitate, what I can say today, for example, I can saythe following sentence to an audience, you are familiar with, I’m picking very specific lieu I wanna be on. Podcast I know have a lot of time. You know, DK. I do this show because of the people you comma, the people that I anticipatelistening to this show which is a very authentic OG, intelligent, luminous, kind community.- It is. It’s an terrifying thing. – I know, I do a lot of homework, so I feel very comfortable I know who’s listening right now, which is people I admire is whatwould be the word I use. Comma, what I fantasize I bring to the table in 1995 when I went to dotcom or email or Google AdWords or YouTube or social or everythingI’ve done in my life Madison Avenue’s startup land, I can bring things like, hey everybody, listen. And am really fantastically comfortable to positioned this on the record, NFT over the next 12 to 18 months is gonna be very similar to ICO.- Yep. – 97% of these projects are gonna collapse in secondary cost. It’s gonna confusepeople, say it was a fad, it was beanie babies. Comma, the underliningtech, and buyer demeanor is gonna be one of themost significant things that happens in modern technology. – I’m with you. – Cool, so like to me that’s– I can relevant. – Yeah, delight, please. – Yeah.- Take it away. – I don’t wanna take up too much of your- – No, take it apart. – Time in the podcastbut’ cause it’s your say I had the same experience when I learned about Bitcoin and Ethereum. I literally depleted a year learning about it before I did nothing about it. And then I precisely couldn’tcontain myself anymore. And I began used to describe it. And that’s how I got towriting for “Coin Telegraph” was just through blogging about it and writing about it every day until the point thatpeople noticed my writing. And that’s when last yearI had the opportunity to write about crypto art in particular and peculiarly aboutthe garbage artwork movement.And that really turned a switch for me because I was like holy crap, this is Marcel Duchamp. This is data. This is the beginning of– A 100% – It’s the beginning of modern art, – 100%, 100%. – It’s a renaissance or a renaissance of that same process yetnow in a digital epoch. – And comma, those creators constructed peanuts. – Yeah. – In the planned of the economics “thats happened” over the next 50 years.The fact that theJackson Pollock of today, whoever she or he may be, his family will becollecting checks in 31 times – Yeah. – On a royalty rake on a transaction sees my center smile, Darren in a way that you couldn’t imagine. – Yeah. It’s amazing, With that extremely, these same masters, whereas before they were the artists, you know, in the clumsy robes with the, you are familiar with, inexpensive paintall over their invests or whatever and thenthere was the collector and that was a different group absolutely. You now have this concoction. Like I compile prowes, I never actually collectedher before in my life. And now I accumulate it regularly. – Do you transact on art, Darren? – I do, yes. I create art, I sell artistry. I sell secondary, yeah. – Do you buy art and resell it at times you really decides to do? – Yes, yes. – This isn’t, the above reasons I query that is that’s probably gonnabe the most interesting thing in the super short term for me, which is what is the OG community gonna “ve been thinking about”, what I know is coming, which is an enormous amount of collector, flipper, speculator at heart people who are gonna get much more enjoyment of buying a piece of art and reselling it than doing that with a stock.- Right.- Than make that with a money. Like for example, I have the same feeling, like for example, the artwork I have behind me Alice Barrett former employee I patronage artwork from a friend perspective. – Hmm – Number one, number two – Personal systems is keyto networking, it’s key. – I’m just, I’m giving you like, I am a baseball card comic book, collectible doll flipper at heart. I adore it. I adoration buying, you know a blue-blooded snaggle tooth that came from the Cedars Cantina prepared’ make that’s the raresnaggletooth versus the crimson suit and buying that at agarage sale for four horses and selling it on eBay for 200 horses or buying it for a hundred bucks and selling it for 200 bucks later’ movement I thought it was a downtime for “Star Wars” or, I experience that.I don’t like stock exchange. I don’t enjoy buying astock and then reselling it. No happiness. I desire flea market, garagesales, sports cards culture. – Well, let me, let me encourage you then to be considered in where that really happens because of course you cango to the Nifty Gateway, you can go, I do havework on known source, for example, however I didn’t start on KnownOrigin of course, right. I started on Rarible. – I know Rarible very well. – I started on OpenSea, right? And that’s where you can get that garage sale type of- – A 100%, am on those platforms- – When you find that gem, right? – I, SuperRare, OpenSea, Rarible, like Bitski, I’m watching everything. I’m watching everything, and right now( sorrows) I’m just terribly mesmerized because I think there’s a huge amount of humans on earth that share my DNA that nobody talks about, which is the following.That trading component is much more fun in NFTs than it is in realestate or wall st.. Number two, and this is where it gets really interesting for me. This is a real thing thatI’ve been doing my whole life. – You got to tokenize those. – Are you kidding me? It’s like the thing thatkeeps me up at night. I’m like, oh my God.In grammar school, kindergarten, first point third point, sixth gradation, a lot of children knew me as a doodler as last-minute parties recollected I was gonna be- – I was the same way, I was the same way. – That I was gonna be an artist, which never get talkedabout in my narrative , not something I share. And you have to watchmy blogs very carefully and you’ll see that I’m doodling a lot in fits, right? So, when this all hit my radar, you are familiar with, that was something thatreally got me psychological. I’m like, oh my God, is this gonna be like, wow, God literally, this is something I said, God, expressed appreciation for, it’sliterally something I told us to myself, six months ago, God, gotta be kidding me? Have you procreated a engineering that makes everything that I am, how to build a community, you are familiar with, understanding storytelling, the doodling component, the garage sale flipping, the garbage pail kid, like it, this is crazy. This is like my life’s work.So I’ve been very cautious and attentive of my entry into this worldbecause I don’t wanna, I know I have a big platform now. I’m not who I was the firstcouple of experiences, you are familiar with, – Hmm, Hmm. – I clearly, I emphatically am worried to drive world markets. – Right. – I’m incredibly scared of that, Darren. I’m scared to talk about- – You’re scared of creating a bubble, is that what you mean? – You know, it’s funny.I’m actually not because I reflect I’m only gonna buy and talk about things that I’ve decided are 30 -year projects. – Okay. – So I’m actually not scaredcause I belief I’m good. It’s what happened in sports cards. In the sports cards life, I’ve been uncomfortably right. – Hmm – And it’s because I’mreally darn good at this. And so I’m talking about NFT as a category. I’m not really talking about projects because I time have more homework to do. I’ve you are familiar with, I’ve alluded to so I’ll make love now as well. I have decided that CryptoPunksis a 30 -year project. – Hmm. – And there’s been a million clauses and this audience doesn’tneed me was why. So I won’t spend time on that. But no, I’m worried about being perceived as gushing and dropping as originating. And so it’s, I gotta really be attentive of how I’m gonna navigate but I’m not actuallyscared about the bubble.I am probably scaredabout the macro bubble. Like when the inevitable shit reaches the love with all these projects, I do meditate everythinggets dragged down with it. So I am scared to tell friends to invest in things or– Right. – Because even though Ithink Punks is a steal do I think if in nine months or 13 months or 16 months there’s that crater time’ cause there’s just too much supply and there’s not sustainability of the secondary demand, could it go down with it? I do.Do I think that’s probably one I’ll return most by increasing? To me, it’s April 2000, Darren. – Yeah! Yeah! – April 2000 is when the stock market crumbled, internet furnishes and everybody bailed on the internet itself. And that’s when I tripleddown on the internet and said , no , no , no, the stocks might’ve been overvalued but the whole genre’s going nowhere. – Yeah. – And that was when Ibought my Amazon stock for the first time cause it was like- – Right, of course. – And so like that’swhat I’ll do with NFTs. When and if, when and if because exactly’ start I think it might, it may not. But if it does have that minute that’s probably whatI’ll go shopping the most on the things that I’vedeemed most meaningful. But there’s so much I necessitate, different blockchains and you know, right. You know, Ethereum, Flow, There’s so much going on there. Different, there’ll be many more. There’s Ethereum scale, wrapping things, burning things like, you are familiar with, there’s a lot to think through. This is early, early, early days.- Yeah, perfectly. What are your thoughts on rubbish skill? Have you looked at that, look back that at all? – Not deeply more. I’m still in the period where, because I decided punks was real that I expend an ungodly sum of time instructing myself there. – Yup. – And I’m continuouslyspending most of my meter doing stuff like this, whether in private or public I want to become friends with parties in their local communities, Iwanna offer my value to them. I wanna meet them and I’m still learning. So I haven’t exited, you are familiar with, I’ve done awfully surface degree nonsense with like HashMasks withCryptokitties I’ve looked at a little bit for my own education.’Cause that was obviously like numerous, the first thing I’ve looked at, Top shot carefully, I’ve looked at a lot of the wax stuff’ reason I like Street Fighter and Garbage Pail Kids. I’ve looked at, you are familiar with, I’vedone my homework on people. So I’ve done a bit on the individual artist front, artifacts. Some you are familiar with, the Bitskiprojects. I’ve looked at stuff, I’ve done my random, like three hour deep dives into OpenSea and Nifty merely to poke around. And( stutters) But I haven’t yet on trash artwork but I’m stimulated to, and I will.- Probably one of the most wonderful places to look for that is theartist that I interviewed for that patch that I wroteabout called “Immutable Trash”. – You can send me that connect after this. – I will. – I’ll read it over the weekend. – Yeah, sure as shooting. His name is Robness. He’s probably the best-known trash masters along with Max Osiris. And of course following that, there’s a huge movement of more creators that join in with that. And I actually sent you the link to it in your Twitter, if you want to peek at it but it’s a bit of a read to do during a speech obviously – Yeah, I’m not gonna do that, yeah I wanna focus on this.- It wouldn’t be practical – But those two stand out. Another immense residence to go if you wanna find out more about justthat part motion in a community building is the art gallery auction house on telegram, Daniel Penn. I reflect Crypto Campfirementioned them too, actually.- Okay. – That was actually where I determine a home when I began this as an artist because I’m coming from another world. I’m a teacher. I school full-time, I began writing’ movement I simply cherish writing. – Hmm. – And from that I only, when I experience the crypto arts I was just like, feltlike what you were saying where it’s like all these different things I affection just came together into this one.- I even felt- – I can’t stop thinking about like, I’m haunted with it. – Listen, I’m obsessed with e-sports. I’m obsessed with the cannabis industry. I grown up in the wine-colored business. I don’t smoke, but I’m mesmerized. I’m haunted with countless micro things. Things have happened, somany things have happened, but I have not felt anything like this since 2005 when I was like, oh, the Internet’s about to make a big change. This social media thing, this is a real thing. This isn’t a- – This is like third-wave here. – Yeah, this, yeah. that’s right. I feel like for me it’s 95 oh five. I’m kind of mad that it’s not 2015′ cause then they’d bea nice round lists.( Darren laughing) But it’s oh five-nine, you are familiar with, it’s 95 oh five- – It’s probably someFibonacci thing or something. – Yeah, probably( Darren laughing ). But, goddamn it’s exciting. And like the, and thefact that I get to bleed in my collecting flip-flop like, like pop culture, IP, retro.Oh fucking, it’s just so exciting. – Yeah, it goes beyond that, right? Like I entail, people getexcited about the money right. And of course the money’s great, like the facts of the case that a person like, like I was- – To me, it’s not the money. It’s the being right. – I adoration being right.( tittering) – I adore being right. Like , no, but truly it’s like, I’m only, I don’t wanna be right so I can tell people I’m right. It’s like a bizarre competition with myself. – It’s a game, I’m winning the game when I do that. – Am I right? Is this kid- – Yeah, it’s true. And I adoration when people are like, nah, ah and then, you are familiar with, twoyears later it’s like, ah. – That’s everything to me .( Darren chuckles) You know, you may know this’ stimulate you have a lot of context for me. It’s why I enjoy substantiating. I adore, you know, when someone’s like, oh, Gary, you’re a fly-by-night and I can show him my point of view on virtual goods in 2010. I don’t know if you watched that clip. – I don’t know if it will all fly-by-night at thispoint anymore( giggling ). – Yeah, but you know what , not fly-by-night, you know what, parties are like, oh, you’rejust jump-start on this. – Right.- You know, – Bandwagon or something.- You don’t care about NFTs. Yeah, and I’m like, lookat this video in 2010 when I’m talking about virtual currency and virtual goods likethis has been on my attention in some mold or formation fora particularly, very long time. It simply prime time now. – It’s a fruition of a number of different elements- A culmination.Coming together, you know.- Yes. – Coalescing. Absolutely. You know, and but withthat, what I was saying was the money’s great like it’s amazing. I was talking to someonejust the other day who I forget which country he lives in. It was a developing country. And he says to me, this art that I sold I’m paying my adolescents’ clas rewards with it. Like this is like life-changing, – Game changer. – For a lot of people. – I know somebody whosold a Hashmask in India to a big collector that is like more coin than his mothers have built in 5 year. – Yeah, next degree, yeah. You know, the opportunities are huge but beyond that extremely, it’s this community and that’s maybe a littleharder to see with, you know the Hashmasksand the CryptoPunks.But when you get down into the dirt of it, as I have as an craftsman starting by like, like some other, just soldmy first piece the other day and it was terrible. It was, I precisely took a Bitcoin logo and I placed it into an app announced Photomosh and it softened it and madeit looks just like a fried egg. And I announced it “Fried Bitcoin”, right? And a guy was like, hey, is that your first part? I want that, right. It’s a great feeling, right. – It’s an intense feeling. For me, what’s been interesting about this is thinking through the metadata. – Hmm. – So I, my programme is gonnabe very very interesting. – Okay. – And I don’t wanna give too much away but I wanna give you a little something for our history we’lllook back at one day. – Very interesting. – All my time– And, I’m assuming, I’m assuming in yourcase you’ve got parties facilitating this process.- When you say facilitating, – What I want is gettingeverything set up, coming everything tokenized, get a, you are familiar with, if you’re going beyond that, if you’re doing something with smart-alecky contract engineering and trash like that. – Yes, I’m talking to parties and trying to figure out where I wanna do this and how I wanna do this. When, but what’s fascinatingis the reason I asked you when “youre telling”, you know, promoting, I am gonna suck all 5,555. – Right, that’s a good point to clear. – It’s not like some of these people- – Yeah precisely! – Who have jump-start inwith hiring some artists and then they say– Correct.I am going to, I am gonna appoint the stories, the dynamics and the notion. The tubes, and doing itright, and coming it minted and going it, smartcontract properly, yes. I’m speaking to all the, a lot of people in their local communities and trying to figure out what the right things are. So anyway– Now you said 5500 drawings, is that what you said? – Yeah. I’m already give too much. So we’ll talk about other( Darren chuckles) Edit that out.( both titters) – Seriously dude, should I? – No , no, it’s okay, you can keep it, but I want you to have the scoop.But like build-up, don’tplay it up too much. Hopefully, it’ll just bestarting getting along- – It’ll be in the tweet, – Yeah.- 5500( giggling) – But you are familiar with, it’s, I’m really excited. I’m aroused, I’m elicited. I feel like I know when I find my home. I know when I’m, the sportscar community, my home the wine-colored society, my house, the entrepreneurial parish, a dwelling. This is gonna be a home and and a residence that is gonnashow a different surface of me up from a clevernes standpoint that has always been there. I’ve spoken so much about the ability of being an actual entrepreneur but, this one’s really gonna be obvious and I’m gonna enjoy it. And it’s gonna open up a whole new avenue to my life which I can only feel fantastically aroused about. – Yeah, it’s just an opportunity to be expressive in a different way, right. – I too hope I motivate people.You know, I guess I’vegot a lot of looks on me. I have a communication style that lamps for certain sums of beings. And I feel like somebody’s going to say, wait a minute, am I an creator extremely? And is gonna fulfill theirdestiny of being an artist. I think what NFT, what social media did was countenanced parties to be personalities and professionals that wouldhave never been that. Influencer marketing, influencers have been art is now a collect of persons who are destined to be lawyers, but are now known for yoga.Accountants that arenow known for StarTrack. And I reckon NFTinfrastructure is gonna stand somebody who’s destined to be a carpenter actually now to be an artist. Someone who’s destined to be a sports negotiator now to be an artist. Somebody that was destined to be a stay-at-home daddy now to be a artist. Somebody that was destinedto be a police officer to now has become a meaningful master. The reality that skill will now be practical to an entire generation of parents, and encouraged instead of discouraged is going to be a verygood thing for society. And I’m excited to see the birth of it.- Yeah, it’s fascinating. You know, it reaches me “ve been thinking about”, I was actually just talkingto someone about this today. The project that, you knowwe’re talking right now about art NFTs, but in my judgment, I’m predict pretty muchanything that is property. At some part you were able to theoretically say, could that be tokenized? – Well, that’s a foregoneconclusion to your point. I contemplate my infatuation rightnow sit around originality. But for example, every notebook by any writer that’s got any liquid isgonna be launched as an NFT. Like I’ve got to rethinkmy part thought process of ratifying another work treat. – Hmm. – Why would I do that? I can launch it as an NFT, attain incredible dynamics deliver actual diary onthe back of the NFT, create incrediblesecondary market dynamics.I represent the world, Darren, this is a big fucking deal. – It is. – I’m gonna sell my- – I’ve been trying to tellpeople this for two years.( titters) – Well, you’ve been right, good word. You are aware of you like being right? Good news, there you go .( Darren laughing) This is gonna change everything. Absolutely everything. I think what’s gonna be, what I would encourage everybody now who’s listening to fall into somethingI said the other night and I’m apply it, I like it. Don’t try to convince, have sentence. And it’s very different. You know, convincing parties is fun but spending and not required when you’re this right. – Hmm.- So like people are like, Gary reassured me about it and this literally actuallyironically happened today. Somebody said, convinceme about the infinite. I’m like, I’m not going to, here’s the here’s how I’m gonna persuasion you. This NFT thing is gonnabe one of the biggest technology shifts in your life.I’ll see you in three years. I’m not gonna sit hereand try to explain to you that you don’t understandsocial currency, human behaviour. Why beings wear mottoes on their drapes. What happens in a digitized nature. Why parties will be curious like rubbernecking and realityTV and social media to know what people have bought and ledgered that theProvenance problems improbably and ever has in our society, that eliminating themiddle that accompanieds very little value is a good idea.And the Internet’s been doing it. Technology’s been doing that for, for its integrity as a term. Like I’m not, I’m notgonna do that for you. I don’t need to do that for you. It’s just gonna play out. Why did foremen and Indians and cavemen depict their faces withcolors and have surfaces that were like, this has been going on. This is a foregone conclusion. So here’s my rant. And I’ll see you in three years. I don’t care if you buy an NFT.I really don’t care. – Yeah. I symbolize, speaking of Provenance I recollect really interesting element of that a lot of parties don’trecognize is, you are familiar with, say if you look at thisTopshot thing, right, and you think about, okay well who’s sides has this particular card been in? – So cool. – And you can look back and proceed, whoa, this was actually in LeBron James wallet, for example.- Really things. Beings don’t understand. That’s gonna be really cool. When you fulfill person in 13 years at an affair, instead of going to Google or Instagram, like many supposed to do now, I conclude beings will go to public purses and look at what they’ve done. And I’ll be like, oh, Darren, you were fucking on this blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, peoplelove to have street credit. And is just like, I knew about Pentera first. – Like Vanilla ice? – Yeah, accurately.( Darren laughing) Where like, I was early. like for me, I was early on Notorious BIG, but do I genuinely have proof, I don’t, but I could. – Sure.- I could.- You could.- You know, like, we’re, you know, when someone’s like, Iwas early on Nirvana. Were you? Like now you have, but now in 35 times, somebody who’s early on something is likely gonna have some proof to it because that entity, theband, the influencer, the person, the thing is gonna have an NFT infrastructure that’s gonna prove. Could, do you understand the level of clout Darren, that somebody could have as being the first personto buy the first item that Pearl Jam put out in 1991? – If you could prove it, yeah. – Well guess what? That’s the world we’re about to go into. – That’s right, irrefutably. – Irrefutably. So I thinkProvenance is gonna be a currency that matters in an maniac practice. I visualize parties are naive. I told parties that online dating would be the standard in 2000, they tittered at me. I said here today beings would buy wine-colored on the internet in 1995, they laughed at me. I told parties that they are able to deplete all their time on Facebook, they tittered at me.Playing portable sports, they giggled at me. Like, all I do is getlaughed at( Darren roars ). And that’s when I know I’m onto something. And this one is one that’smaking a lot of parties laugh. They’re like, I’ll just take a screenshot. What’s the difference? I’m like everything. – Well, I was talking fine art with Sasha Bailey, he’s the founder of My BAE. – Hmm. – And he spoke of how “hes having” suffered withtraditional fine arts. For example, if you were to say, look at an Andy Warhol and it was the real one, Eddie Warhol and then you had a fakesitting next to it. They are indistinguishable. You can not tell thedifference between them, you know and that’s a problem. So what do they do? They go by Providence. They run, okay, who’s handwritings were, who had this part, you know where is the history of this portion. And again, that’s where the blockchain is vastly superior as a solution.- It’s not even close. – Right? Not merely that, where are those Andy Warhol’s, they’re in a arch. No one’s even looking at the things. – Correct. – I go to the New York MET. I don’t know if you determined that, but I announced about it. I go to the MET and Igo look at a painting and I’m like, is thiseven the real painting, or did they just framed a replication now’ cause they don’t want the real one to get damaged ?. – Correct. And meanwhile, person modifications their sketch drawing to a CryptoPunk, and you can go check if they’re the actual owner of it.You could. – You can. – You could. And then you get into themonetization of the IP. Like you look at someof the entity standards where you’re allowed to monetize something you buy up to a hundred thousand not like, there’s so much nifty trash. It’s just gonna be nifty. That’s like the word like I’ve been using the word neat. Like, I don’t know if it generates me back to when I was four- – It’s a child, it’snostalgic thing right, it’s nifty. – It’s nifty, it’s fucking nifty. – Well, that’s why makingthe art for myself as well. A quantity of the art I makeliterally utters me laugh as I’m making it, you know like there’s a delight in it. And I’m hoping you havethe same experience with your doodling,( ambiguou) – I make, gotta be kidding me? – There’s a joy in it, right? – I imply, look atPatient Pig, how can you-( Darren laughing) – That’s right.- You know, like, Icouldn’t be more excited to be a part of this. I am really happy that I’ve been able to bring a lot of awareness. I’ve had a lot of beautiful DMS and things like, you know, I have a big platform and I’m able to bring awareness to parties, the Flamingo project, or, you know Felicia sort of, you know, whatever it might be like it’s just really fun. – Hmm. Let’s talk obstructions though. Let’s talk troubles. – Please. – You know what, youknow, Ethereum patently, you know, if you’re minting on Ethereum like it’s got some technological questions. – Clearly. – You know, it’s too much success. – Yep, gas is expensive. – Gas is terrible, you know. We had kind of a mini crypto wintertime in the skill representation where I don’t know, you talked about that you’ve been following it for months. And it was just on firein October, November, come December Ethereumprices kind of skyrocketed and all of a sudden people couldn’t compose or they could create, but they couldn’t mint.They couldn’t tokenize unlessthey were upper echelon. You know, where do you see that croaking? – Too early for me to make a call that I would wanna looked at on and say, okay, you were smart or you were an idiot. I time don’t know. That’s the honest truth. I know human dynamics. So what do I make by that? I know that there’s an incredible quantity of people that arebuilding on top of Ethereum that the network is so vast that the stakes are so collectively high that beings that are dramatically more technically skilled than I are tackling it at merciless heights. Now I do think that people are naive a little bit with L-two and all that. Like, I think there is some naivete induce when you want it to happen, you know I’m thinking a lot about the burning and wrapping of signs, you are familiar with, like, listen I would neverhave purchase CryptoPunks if I didn’t know what wrapping was. – Right. – Because I would have been too scared.Like, you are familiar with, I, you know they’re very different engineerings but there was a day where Yahoowas the only search engine. – Sure. – And then Google came along. And I sit here and say, well, there could be adifferent blockchain, like – Ask Jeeves. – Correct, I entail, inspection how huge Flow is. Roham you know learned a lot, -( coughs) Excuse me. – Being up on Kitty-cat andthe scalable issues and, you are familiar with, Flow, andthere’s tons, there’s tons of innovation going on on this. So, Ethereum scaling problems scare me less than they did 6 months ago. – Hmm. – Because I have enough notion that if it doesn’t, it doesn’t mean all the resources go to zero. – Right. – And I’m a person that doesn’t have the skillset nor to be honest, the interest on how the concrete and steel is constructed. I like designing the apartment. – Hmm. – Got it? So I try to stay developed fairly that I can speak to the way I’m speaking to you where I’m risky, right.I can be a little dangerous but I’m not the person that’s gonna speak about the technological underpinnings at the different levels that so many others can. What I devote my passionand experience and skillset on, is the human dynamicson top of those things. Now I don’t want to getcaught with my breathes down which is why I try tostay knowledgeable-ish, but to speak aboutscalability of Ethereum, that is above my compensate point.( Darren laughters) – I kind of forecast in my view, that we’ll get to a stage where there’s a degree of interoperability, that you are familiar with, perhaps these tokens are moving from one chain to another .( clears throat) I want, there is obviouslya technical challenge now. – I think that that is something that is in thebest interest of everyone, thus concludes me think likely. – Well, on the flip side you could say, well, maybe it’s morelike the Beta max VHS situation where VHS dominated because it simply was the onethat was more widely used. And you know, you could makethat statement for Ethereum. – I think you could, but the rate of technologyadvancements are so different today compared to what it would have taken for a third, you know, cool. But that was a one-on-one battle. If the rate and costs associated with innovating back then in that game, might’ve led to something announced PS-nine, which ought to have been destroyed VHS. – Sure. – And I think that’s how I look at a Flow had the comfort ofknowing what Ethereum was.- Right. Yup, what do you thinkof the whole, you know kind of there’s these, you know kind of curated incidents for halls and then there’s the ones thatare kind of the wide open. Like where do you findyourself drawn to the most? – Neither and both. – Hmm. – To me both will be successful of whomever earns. Right, so you will havemeaningful actors in both. – Okay. – And then I think you’ll have underlining technologywhere people like myself and others can do it on their own domain and precisely have the underpinnings of the capacity needed within it. – Hmm! Let’s bringing it to your background a little here. What do you think it is about this, you are familiar with, you talkedabout it a bit previously, but you know you’ve talkedabout your childhood. What is it about your childhood like that really clickswith it, you think? – That’s a great question. You know, my mother’s side of the family has a very heavy leaningtowards storytelling. They’re just like funny Russian uncles who get drunk and story-tell, and I’m like, okay that’s something,( exhales) being an immigrant and learning how to speak English by watching “Scooby-Doo”, “Batman”, the “Adam West”stuff and “The Hulk”, the movie faculty, you are familiar with, the Tv faculty TV support, “Dukes of Hazzard”, like a lot of seventies and eighties IP schooled mehow to speak the language.And I consider cementedmy Americana, you know. Being a seller manager, you know I think this is just the modern stones and rubies and you know, like gold. I would’ve probably been a great character in the gold rush, you are familiar with? And so DNA and circumstance of like I do recall theimmigrant can’t speak English. These are the thingsthat schooled me English and they’re all IP, probablyhas something to do with it. I can’t really unwrap it, sweetened pickles- – But there’s a solace youfind in that in a certain sense. – Yeah, sure as shooting. And then I maintained it. Like I loved garage selling my totality life and buying toys and diaries and cups and T-shirts up IP happy days, more Mork and Mindy. Like I precisely always tended to nostalgia Americana IP, that shit. – Yeah, yeah. Very interesting. Different question absolutely. Thoroughly various kinds of a– Please. – Bit of a shift now, you are familiar with I ponder a lot about how this will change the practice economies work on a kind of a macro magnitude, you know.Any conceptions on that inregards to, you know. – Big time. – You know, it’s kind of changing the acces we, we transact. – I see I will become a central bank. – Hmm! – I review humen will have economies built around them because ofaccess and metadata. – Hmm! How does that workin our current system without there being a huge conflict? Or is that inevitable? – I mean, if you’re going super macro with me around like cryptocurrency and NFTs versus, youknow, monarch commonwealths. – Which is like say, Fiat money versus- – Oh, I think it’s a, Ithink it’s a big, big cheese. – Yeah. – I think that there’sinevitable regulation that is overbearing and it vary how bigthe movement is at the time to see what the counter-reaction is. I symbolize, I see the stakes are high. If you believe that Bitcoin prevails, then you believe in the big shortfall of leverage of sovereign commonwealths. – Hmm. Or that they just rush in and they try to have their own little hash campaign going on and try to- – They’re going to do that.- Get as much as they can, right. If they are– They’re going to do that. – I symbolize, Germany I feel likeis my prediction to go first. Like I review oh they’re gonna. They’re gonna have to– Why German including? – By the space, when I say ended intuitive wild guess of like, I always “ve been thinking about” who’s incentivized, but big enough. – Hmm. See,’ cause I would lean towards say something like say Iran or something like that. – They already kind ofhave their own control if you think about it, if you think of Germany as a leading player in Europe where Europe is now kindof like a third musician in the world behind the US and China, it’s almost like they’re incentivized to do a move to almost like re-energize, you are familiar with, cause don’t forget, that’s the part of theworld that was number one. And I always think there’ssome emphasize antagonism when you use your recognize, I envisage America losing to China in that global leader over the next hundred years will be like an interesting underlining resentment the nature that London andGermany look at the US.And so I dunno, I’ve always had this weird feeling in my owngame of chess in my top that if there was aplace that would do this first and most meaningful, but that was big enoughto actually matter. So that’s always been my hot patrons. – Are they competent enough to fight it? – I don’t know.I genuinely don’t. – I often wonder. – I mean- I just know, – I just see a trafficlight system make, you now 2 months to get installedin my neighborhood I don’t know if they can fight this. – Yeah, well that( Darren laughing) that is a really good point. In reality , no. In guide a statute that fixes things illegal that they are able to prepare our brain gyration, yes. – Hmm. Well, and that can cause harm. I don’t know if it stops. I don’t think it can be stopped. – Yeah. I think you’re probably right. I think it’s like booze. You can do prohibition but make preparations for the forks -( laughter) And be prepared for people to still be destroying alcohol. – Correct.( Darren laughing) – Yeah, all right. Talk about your hopes. I signify, you didn’t, couldn’t give a lot of detail there about your projects, but you are familiar with, what do you encounter? What are you hoping happening here over the next year herewith your experience in the NFT world, with your experience in NFT art, what are youhoping to see happen? – By far, my reaction to that question is the 13 to 27 relationshipsI make in this next year.That reflect, the ones I constructed in 2006 like the Kevin roses and the MSGs and the Travis and theSockers and Dave Morin’s and you know, just these real affections. Mike, you know Lazarus and Belsky like these real, real, real ties. I recall I’m gonna make some of my best friends in mylife over the next year. – That’s awesome. I know for myself, you know, merely joining local communities I’ve made some awesome friends that, you know we connect on a daily basis, you know.- This is going to be a year that I shape some best friends. – That’s awesome. Anything, any last wordsyou wanna wrap up with? I know you’re kinda tighten on time. I’m guessing you are a pretty busy guy, so – Yes, I certainly be understood that. I is absolutely, that I’m grateful that I’m available. That I’m intellectually charitable. I was so offering withthe ability to get mine that I ever, that I’ma person that believed in like abundance. So if there’s anything Ican be a help to anybody. I think everyone can win. And to be thoughtfulon the investing area. I do repute people need to be very careful. There’s gonna be a trillion projects and there’s only so much demand. And right now a lot of the demand is from people that arefinancially incentivized. They don’t really be concerned about it. They’re gonna buy this thing’ cause they think in a weekit’s gonna be this much. And that’s okay. I don’t judge that. I’m an entrepreneur, I’ma capitalist, you know in the good sense of the world meaning I want it to be fair.That’s why I enjoy a lot about this. I think it’s unadulterated capitalism. Like there’s, it actually, video games of who is goodnot let’s rig the game. And so- – It’s a meritocracy, yeah. – It’s a meritocracy, that’s such a good point. I precisely would tell peoplelike be courteous because when it affects, when it gate-crashes or it goes down, you are familiar with, it’ll hurt, it’ll be fast.It’ll be hard to liquidate. There’s not enough emphasize demand to carry what’s going on. And so you have speculation at proportion. Buy what you like or really do homework on things you genuinely believe are gonna work. For illustration, every great IP, Darren that’s about to come out, whether it’s “Star Wars”, or “Star Trek”, or “Alf”, or “Smurfs” or whatever, right. I’m gonna glance very carefullyon how they improve it. You know, because I can’t just say, oh the Pokemon thing is gonnacrush’ cause it’s Pokemon. If it’s sloppy and not courteous, the dynamics won’t play out to make it a good quote-unquote investment. – Yeah, yeah. Well then you just have a repeat of the ICO thing we met. – This is gonna be a big ICO moment, just so you know, this will be that the shit-coin like actuality is there’s gonna be an ungodly sum of NFTs that sell for a lot inthe first three months and go to very small places.So pay very close attentionto who’s behind it. For instance, for me what I’m gonna do is gonna be with me to the die I die, which gives me tremendous confidence in the economics around that ecosystem back to economies around parties. Regrettably, I reckon a lot of beings that have my leverage ofawareness and audience, I think are gonna go for the quick 3, 4,$ 5 million value. And I think that’s gonna hurt them and it’s definitely gonna hurt their followers. And I precaution parties to be pithy as they continue to navigate especially these next 24 months. But these next 24 times in NFT are gonna be remarkable. – Yeah, a 100%. Hey, I actually appreciateyou making this time and I’m looking forward to your podcast. I hear you’re doing it with somebody else in my parish next week.Now I don’t wanna give awaytoo much about that yet.’ cause I’m not sure if he’s even said, but I’m roused to hear that as well. And I certainly appreciate youtaking the time to do this. I symbolize, of all thethings you could be doing with your time right now, why is it that, you know, this is what you’re doing. I’m curious. – I like beings that are authentic to the thing that I’m agitated about. – Hmm! That’s awesome. – It could be a lot of fancy people who are gonna hit me a little bit. It’s already happened. There will be a lot of super acclaimed super rich, super leveraged, super strategic beings. There’s all the naturalpeople that I’m friends with that are also in, andthose are real relations but there’s something important to me that if I go into someone’s home, I want it to elite and therules are make your shoes off.I wanna make them off. So that’s somewhere else the other day. And it kind of feels that way to me. I require real rapports, real rapports. I want to be in this communityfor the rest of my life. And the only way I knowhow to do that is to be … Is to generate value. I is a well-known fact that in real world, that my look on your podcast for you gives you leverage to domore with your podcasts. And I wanted to go for you.- I be understood that. – And the number one asset that I can, the number one asset I protect is time. – Hmm! – So to me, writing, has become a $ 5,000 patronize of your podcast is a hell of a lot less meaningful oflike me knowing the truth than me apportioning this time. – Right on yeah.- And so that’s- – I’d be okay with that very .( both laughing) – We can have that convo very. Anyway, my friend thank you for your time. I gotta passed. – Right on. Thank you very much.- Bye there. – Thank you so much.- Take care. – See you in the circles. I are looking forward to devote realtime in person as well. – Awesome. – Take care- Cheers. Where do “were living”? – I live in Alberta, Canada. – Love it, adoration it. I actually- – I adoration New York though. I had tickets booked. I had hotel booked. I had tickets for Hamilton booked. I was all ready with my spouse to come out there for a week. – Gonna be going on lot of conferences. So I’m sure we’ll be synced.- Oh man, I was crushed. Bye, Okay.- Cheers. – Take care. – YouTube watcher, what’s up, it’s GaryVee. First of all, thank you so much.I hope you’re doing superwell during these seasons. I likewise wanna ask you delight agree because my commitment and journey of YouTube is about toexplode legends, surveys more contact, more engagement, more surprise and gratify. This is the time to subscribe. I hope that members can is. And I hope I see you soon ..