– So here’s my rant. And I’ll see you in three years. I don’t care if you buy an NFT. I merely don’t care.( upbeat music) You got your perspective. I precisely wanna be happy.Don’t you wanna be happy?( trendy hop instrumentals) – Hey, this is the NonFunGerbils podcast NFP with your legion DKleine. And today I have a veryspecial guest, GaryVee. Welcome to the show. – I certainly appreciate it. Thank you for having me. – Okay, this is wild. I have to tell you. I’m pretty excited about this. I genuinely appreciate youmaking season for this. – Thank you, thank you forsaying that, I’m flattered. I’m really excited to be on it candidly. – Yeah, I’ve noticed you’re making fairly the deep dive into the whole NFT art scene the last couple of eras, I’ve seen you everybody. I saw you on CryptoCampfire the other day.- Hmm! – Tell me about, you know it seems like when you’re doing something you just go full board at it. – I genuinely do. And I truly, you know, it’s funny people don’t know this about me since they are look all the energy. You know, what’s so funny, I think so much of the intensity that I introducing has to do with the fact that usually, it’s because I’ve been pent up for three to four months about something I’m elicited about, right? So for example, youknow, with sports cards which was something similar that I went very passionate about, you know I grew up passionate about it and then I came highly, very passionate about it 3 years ago, it was various, several months, maybe almost a year on that one that I was doing real homework before I had come out and said this, that, and the other thing.Now, I’ve been doing lightweight homework, you are familiar with since probably the summer months, you are familiar with, on NFTs. The intellect I bought Ethereum in 2016 after AaronBattalion, large-hearted shout out to Aaron Battalion formerCTO of Living Social, immense VC, immense technologists, improved me on it at South by Southwest. Was basically the understanding of the potential of what became NFTs. Like I was like, Oh, okay, this isn’t currency this is framer buildon time, you know like, programme and so, I fantasize I get so loud and excited’ lawsuit I’ve been wanting to be loud and provoked for months. I basically do 60, 70% of my knowledge base before I say a word to the world. – Hmm! – For example, I’ve been doing that with BR quite a bit, I’m very deep into BR more than beings think’cause I never talk about. Even this mentioned isalready a good deal for me by my standards, becauseI don’t like to talk about things that I don’tknow anything about.Now, I don’t mind to be in this place where I’m like, hey, I have some real opinions and understandings and thoughts and postulates, comma. There’s still a lot ofthings I need to know to really feel cozy the path I do about social media orwine or sports cards. But I don’t feel like I’ll be perplexed. I feel like I understand my point of view on what the consumers aregonna do with that FT. I feel like I can speak, I can speak to ERC-2 0 and ERC-7 21 and I can speak to cryptopunks and larva labs. And I can speak to Pepe being a BTC a Bitcoin version of like I can, you are familiar with, I understand what wrapping is now.Like, you are familiar with, like I can, I can I can hang enough where I’m not consume people’s time because what I’m great at according to my mother, but in all seriousness what I’m very comfortable withis shopper demeanor. I mean, what I can say today, for example, I can saythe following sentence to an public, you know, I’m picking very specific arranges I wanna be on. Podcast I know have a lot of time. You know, DK. I do this show because of the people you comma, the person or persons that I anticipatelistening to this show which is a very authentic OG, intelligent, radiant, category society. – It is. It’s an impressive thing. – I know, I do a lot of homework, so I feel very comfortable I know who’s listening right now, which is beings I revere is whatwould be the word I use. Comma, what I picture I bring to the table in 1995 when I went to dotcom or email or Google AdWords or YouTube or social or everythingI’ve done in my life Madison Avenue’s startup land, I can bring things like, hey everybody, listen.And am merely fantastically comfortable to situated this on the record, NFT over the next 12 to 18 months is gonna be very similar to ICO. – Yep. – 97% of these projects are gonna collapse in secondary value. It’s gonna confusepeople, say it was a fad, it was beanie babies. Comma, the underliningtech, and shopper behaviour is gonna be one of themost significant things that happens in modern technology. – I’m with you. – Cool, so are happy to me that’s– I can refer. – Yeah, please, please. – Yeah.- Take it apart. – I don’t wanna take up too much of your- – No, take it apart. – Time in the podcastbut’ cause it’s your say I had the same experience when I learned about Bitcoin and Ethereum. I literally wasted a year learning about it before I did anything about it. And then I merely couldn’tcontain myself anymore.And I began writing about it. And that’s how I got towriting for “Coin Telegraph” was just through blogging about it and used to describe it every day until the point thatpeople noticed my writing. And that’s when last yearI had the opportunity to write about crypto art in particular and extremely aboutthe trash art progress. And that exactly flipped a switch for me because I was like holy crap, this is Marcel Duchamp. This is data.This is the beginning of– A 100% – It’s the opening up of modern artistry, – 100%, 100%. – It’s a renaissance or a renaissance of that same process yetnow in a digital era. – And comma, those creators shaped peanuts. – Yeah. – In the planned of the economics that happened over the next 50 times. The point that theJackson Pollock of today, whoever she or he may be, his family will becollecting checks in 31 times – Yeah. – On a royalty rake on a transaction determines my feeling smile, Darren in a way that you couldn’t imagine. – Yeah. It’s amazing, With that very, these same artists, whereas before they were the artists, you are familiar with, in the sloppy drapes with the, you are familiar with, inexpensive paintall over their invests or whatever and thenthere was the collector and that was a different group entirely.You now have this mixture. Like I compile artwork, I never actually collectedher before in “peoples lives”. And now I accumulate it regularly. – Do you transact on art, Darren? – I do, yes. I create art, I sell art. I sell secondary, yeah. – Do you buy art and resell it at times you only decide to do? – Yes, yes. – This isn’t, the above reasons I expect that is that’s probably gonnabe the most interesting thing in the super short term for me, which is what is the OG community gonna think about, what I know is coming, which is an enormous amount of collector, flipper, trader at heart people who are gonna get much more enjoyment of buying a piece of art and reselling it than doing that with a stock.- Right.- Than doing that with a currency. Like for example, I have the same feeling, like for example, the prowes I have behind me Alice Barrett former work I endorsement artwork from a friend standpoint. – Hmm – Number one, number two – Personal structures is keyto networking, it’s key. – I’m just, I’m giving you like, I am a baseball card comic book, collectible toy flipper at heart. I adore it. I adoration buying, you know a blue-blooded snaggle tooth that came from the Cedars Cantina placed’ start that’s the raresnaggletooth versus the maroon suit and buying that at agarage sale for four horses and selling it on eBay for 200 bucks or buying it for a hundred horses and selling it for 200 horses last-minute’ crusade I thought it was a downtime for “Star Wars” or, I experience that. I don’t like stock exchange. I don’t experience buying astock and then reselling it. No indulgence. I enjoy flea market, garagesales, sports cards culture. – Well, let me, let me encourage you then to be considered in where that really happens because of course you cango to the Nifty Gateway, you can go, I do havework on known lineage, for example, nonetheless I didn’t start on KnownOrigin of course, right.I started on Rarible. – I know Rarible very well. – I started on OpenSea, right? And that’s where you can get that garage sale type of- – A 100%, am on those platforms- – When you is my finding that gem, right? – I, SuperRare, OpenSea, Rarible, like Bitski, I’m watching everything. I’m watching everything, and right now( rustles) I’m just highly mesmerized because I think there’s a huge amount of humans on earth that share my DNA that nobody talks about, which is the following. That trading factor is much more fun in NFTs than it is in realestate or wall st.. Number two, and this is where it gets really interesting for me. This is a real thing thatI’ve been doing my whole life. – You got to tokenize those. – Are you kidding me? It’s like the thing thatkeeps me up at night. I’m like, oh my God. In grammar school, kindergarten, first point one-third gradation, sixth point, a great deal of children knew me as a doodler as last-minute parties envisaged I was gonna be- – I was the same way, I was the same way.- That I was gonna be an artist, which never comes talkedabout in my narrative , not something I share. And you have to watchmy blogs very carefully and you’ll see that I’m doodling a lot in powwows, right? So, when this all thumped my radar, you know, that was something thatreally got me psychological. I’m like, oh my God, is this gonna be like, wow, God literally, this is something I said, God, expressed appreciation for, it’sliterally something I said to myself, six months left, God, gotta be kidding me? Have you composed a technology that takes all that is I am, how to build a community, you know, understanding storytelling, the doodling component, the garage sale flipping, the garbage pail kid, like it, this is crazy.This is like my life’s work. So I’ve been very cautious and musing of my entry into this worldbecause I don’t wanna, I know I have a big platform now. I’m not who I was the firstcouple of meters, you are familiar with, – Hmm, Hmm. – I emphatically, I surely am worried to drive the market. – Right. – I’m incredibly scared of that, Darren. I’m scared to talk about- – You’re scared of creating a bubble, is that what you mean? – You know, it’s funny. I’m actually not because I consider I’m only gonna buy and talk about things that I’ve decided are 30 -year projects. – Okay. – So I’m actually not scaredcause I fantasize I’m good. It’s what happened in sports cards. In the sports cards world, I’ve been uncomfortably right. – Hmm – And it’s because I’mreally darn good at this. And so I’m talking about NFT as a category. I’m not really talking about jobs because I time have more homework to do. I’ve you are familiar with, I’ve alluded to so I’ll get it on here as well.I have decided that CryptoPunksis a 30 -year project. – Hmm. – And there’s been a million essays and this audience doesn’tneed me was why. So I won’t spend time on that. But no, I’m worried about being perceived as shooting and dropping as organizing. And so it’s, I gotta really be intelligent of how I’m gonna navigate but I’m not actuallyscared about the bubble. I am probably scaredabout the macro bubble. Like when the inevitable shit smacks the supporter with all these projects, I do meditate everythinggets dragged down with it. So I am scared to tell friends to invest in things or– Right. – Because even though Ithink Punks is a steal do I think if in nine months or 13 months or 16 months there’s that crater moment’ cause there’s just too much supplying and there’s not sustainability of the secondary demand, could it go down with it? I do.Do I think that’s probably one I’ll know most by the rise in? To me, it’s April 2000, Darren. – Yeah! Yeah! – April 2000 is when the stock market collapsed, internet inventories and everybody bailed on the internet itself. And that’s when I tripleddown on the internet and said , no , no , no, the stocks might’ve been overvalued but the whole genre’s going nowhere. – Yeah. – And that was when Ibought my Amazon stock for the first time cause it was like- – Right, of course. – And so like that’swhat I’ll do with NFTs. When and if, when and if because simply’ crusade I think it might, it may not. But if it does have that time that’s probably whatI’ll go shopping “the worlds largest” on the things that I’vedeemed most meaningful.But there’s so much I convey, different blockchains and you know, right. You know, Ethereum, Flow, There’s so much going on there. Different, there’ll be many more. There’s Ethereum scale, wrapping things, burning things like, you know, there’s a lot to think through. This is early, early, early days. – Yeah, utterly. What are your thoughts on junk skill? Have you looked at that, looked at that at all? – Not profoundly more. I’m still in the chapter where, because I decided punks was real that I invest an ungodly sum of experience developing myself there. – Yup. – And I’m continuouslyspending most of my epoch doing material like this, whether in private or public I want to become friends with beings in their local communities, Iwanna offer my cost to them. I wanna meeting with members and I’m still learning. So I haven’t started, you are familiar with, I’ve done unusually face degree nonsense with like HashMasks withCryptokitties I’ve looked at a little bit for my own education.’Cause that was obviously like many, the first thing I’ve looked at, Top shot carefully, I’ve looked at a lot of the wax substance’ justification I like Street Fighter and Garbage Pail Kids. I’ve looked at, you are familiar with, I’vedone my homework on beings. So I’ve done a little on the individual artist front, artifacts. Some you are familiar with, the Bitskiprojects. I’ve looked at stuff, I’ve done my random, like three hour deep dives into OpenSea and Nifty merely to poke around. And( stutters) But I haven’t yet on trash artistry but I’m provoked to, and I will. – Probably one of the best places to look for that is theartist that I interviewed for that slouse that I wroteabout called “Immutable Trash”. – You can send me that tie-in after this. – I will. – I’ll read it over the weekend. – Yeah, sure as shooting. His name is Robness. He’s probably the best-known trash craftsmen along with Max Osiris. And of course following that, there’s a huge movement of more craftsmen that join in with that. And I actually sent you the link to it in your Twitter, if you just wanted to peek at it but it’s a bit of a speak to do during a dialogue apparently – Yeah, I’m not gonna do that, yeah I wanna concentrates on this.- It wouldn’t be practical – But those two stand out. Another enormous residence to go if you wanna find out more about justthat part change in a community building is the art gallery auction house on telegram, Daniel Penn. I feel Crypto Campfirementioned them very, actually.- Okay. – That was actually where I procure a home when I began this as an creator because I’m coming from a different world. I’m a professor. I school full-time, I began writing’ effect I time adore writing.- Hmm. – And from that I just, when I assure the crypto skills I was just like, feltlike what you were saying where it’s like all these different things I desire just came together into this one. – I even felt- – I can’t stop thinking about like, I’m obsessed with it. – Listen, I’m obsessed with e-sports. I’m haunted with the cannabis industry. I grew up in the wine-coloured business. I don’t inhale, but I’m fascinated. I’m obsessed with many micro things. Things have happened, somany things have happened, but I have not felt anything like this since 2005 when I was like, oh, the Internet’s about to make a big change. This social media thing, this is a real thing. This isn’t a- – This is like third-wave here. – Yeah, this, yeah. that’s right. I feel like for me it’s 95 oh five. I’m kind of mad that it’s not 2015′ cause then they’d bea nice round figures.( Darren laughing) But it’s oh five-nine, you are familiar with, it’s 95 oh five- – It’s probably someFibonacci thing or something.- Yeah, probably( Darren laughing ). But, goddamn it’s exciting. And like the, and thefact that I get to bleed in my collecting turning like, like pop culture, IP, retro. Oh fuck, it’s just so exciting. – Yeah, it move beyond that, right? Like I mean, beings getexcited about the money right. And of course the money’s great, like the fact that person or persons like, like I was- – To me, it’s not the money.It’s the being right. – I desire being right.( chortling) – I affection being right. Like , no, but actually it’s like, I’m only, I don’t wanna be right so I can tell people I’m right. It’s like a strange recreation with myself. – It’s a game, I’m winning video games when I do that. – Am I right? Is this kid- – Yeah, it’s true. And I enjoy when people are like, nah, ah and then, you know, twoyears later it’s like, ah. – That’s everything to me .( Darren chuckles) You know, you may know this’ stimulate you have a lot of situation for me. It’s why I love substantiating. I affection, you know, when someone’s like, oh, Gary, you’re a fly-by-night and I can be demonstrated him my point of view on virtual goods in 2010. I don’t know if you read that clip. – I don’t know if it will all fly-by-night at thispoint anymore( laughing ). – Yeah, but you know what , not fly-by-night, you know what, beings are like, oh, you’rejust jumping on this. – Right.- You know, – Bandwagon or something.- You don’t care about NFTs. Yeah, and I’m like, lookat this video in 2010 when I’m talking about virtual currency and virtual goods likethis has been on my head in some chassis or constitute fora terribly, very long time.It just prime time now. – It’s a consummation of a number of different elements- A pinnacle. coming together, you know.- Yes. – Coalescing. Absolutely. You know, and but withthat, what I was saying was the money’s great like it’s amazing. I was talking to someonejust the other day who I forget which country he lives in. It was a developing country. And he told me to me, this art that I sold I’m paying my kids’ school rewards with it. Like this is like life-changing, – Game changer. – For a lot of people. – I know somebody whosold a Hashmask in India to a big collector that is like more fund than his parents have compiled in five years. – Yeah, next position, yeah. You know, the opportunities are huge but beyond that too, it’s this community and that’s maybe a littleharder to see with, you know the Hashmasksand the CryptoPunks. But when you get down into the dirt of it, as I have as an creator starting by like, like some other, just soldmy first piece the other day and it was terrible.It was, I really took a Bitcoin logo and I set it into an app announced Photomosh and it softened it and madeit look like a fried egg. And I called it “Fried Bitcoin”, right? And a guy was like, hey, is that your firstly piece? I wanted to go, right. It’s a great feeling, right. – It’s an intense feeling. For me, what’s been interesting about this is thinking through the metadata. – Hmm. – So I, my projection is gonnabe very very interesting. – Okay. – And I don’t wanna give too much apart but I wanna give you a little something for our history we’lllook back at one day. – Very interesting. – All my time– And, I’m assuming, I’m assuming in yourcase you’ve got beings facilitating this process. – When you say facilitating, – What I signify is gettingeverything set up, going everything tokenized, get a, you are familiar with, if you’re going beyond that, if you’re doing something with smart-alecky contract technology and material like that.- Yes, I’m talking to people and trying to figure out where I wanna do this and how I wanna do this. When, but what’s fascinatingis the reason I asked you when “youre telling”, you are familiar with, promoting, I am gonna reap all 5,555. – Right, that’s a good point to make. – It’s not like some of these people- – Yeah accurately! – Who have climbed inwith hiring some artists and then they say– Correct. I am going to, I am gonna organize the storeys, the dynamics and the concepts. The hoses, and doing itright, and coming it minted and coming it, smartcontract properly, yes. I’m speaking to all the, a great deal of beings in their local communities and trying to figure out what the right things are. So anyway– Now you said 5500 photos, is that what you said? – Yeah. I’m already hand too much. So we’ll talk about other( Darren chortles) Edit that out .( both screams) – Seriously dude, should I? – No , no, it’s okay, you can keep it, but I want you to have the scoop. But like build-up, don’tplay it up too much. Hopefully, it’ll really bestarting getting along- – It’ll be presented at the tweet, – Yeah.- 5500( roaring) – But you are familiar with, it’s, I’m really excited. I’m agitated, I’m agitated. I feel like I know when I find my home. I know when I’m, the sportscar community, my house the wine-colored community, my home, the entrepreneurial community, a residence. This is gonna be a home and and a dwelling that is gonnashow a different slope of me up from a ingenuity standpoint that has always been there. I’ve spoken so much about the imagination of being an actual industrialist but, this one’s really gonna be obvious and I’m gonna enjoy it. And it’s gonna open up a whole new avenue to my life which I can just feel fantastically aroused about. – Yeah, it’s just an opportunity to be express in a different way, right.- I likewise hope I motivate people. You know, I conclude I’vegot a lot of looks on me. I have a communication style that lamps for certain amounts of people. And I feel like somebody’s going to say, wait a minute, am I an craftsman more? And is gonna fulfill theirdestiny of being an artist. I think what NFT, what social media did was stood people to be identities and professionals that wouldhave never been that. Influencer marketing, influencers have been art is now a collection of people who are destined to be advocates, but are now known for yoga. Auditors that arenow known for StarTrack. And I guess NFTinfrastructure is gonna grant somebody who’s destined to be a carpenter actually now to be an artist.Someone who’s destined to be a sports operator now to be an artist. Somebody that was destined to be a stay-at-home dad now to be a artist. Somebody that was destinedto be a police officer to now be a meaningful craftsman. The information that artistry will now be practical to a generation of parents, and encouraged instead of deterred is going to be a verygood thing for society. And I’m excited to see the birth of it. – Yeah, it’s fascinating. You know, it concludes me think about, I was actually just talkingto someone about this today. The hypothesi that, you knowwe’re talking right now about artistry NFTs, but in my sentiment, I’m expect pretty muchanything that is property. At some quality you were able to theoretically say, could that be tokenized? – Well, that’s a foregoneconclusion to your point. I picture my fascination rightnow sit around imagination. But for example, every notebook by any writer that’s got any liquor isgonna be launched as an NFT.Like I’ve got to rethinkmy part thought process of signing another bible distribute. – Hmm. – Why would I do that? I can propel it as an NFT, stimulate incredible dynamics deliver actual bible onthe back of the NFT, create incrediblesecondary market dynamics. I intend the world, Darren, this is a big fucking deal. – It is. – I’m gonna sell my- – I’ve been trying to tellpeople this for two years.( mocks) – Well, you’ve been right, good bulletin. You know how you like being right? Good news, there “theres going” .( Darren laughing) This is gonna change everything. Absolutely everything. I think what’s gonna be, what I would encourage everybody here who’s listening to fall into somethingI said the other night and I’m apply it, I like it. Don’t try to convince, have decision. And it’s very different.You know, convincing beings is fun but exhausting and not required when you’re this right. – Hmm.- So like people are like, Gary convinced me about it and this literally actuallyironically happened to you. Somebody said, convinceme about the infinite. I’m like, I’m not going to, here’s the here’s how I’m gonna persuade you. This NFT thing is gonnabe one of the biggest technology changes in your life.I’ll see you in three years. I’m not gonna sit hereand try to explain to you that you don’t understandsocial currency, human action. Why people wear logoes on their drapes. What is happening to a digitized macrocosm. Why parties will be curious like rubbernecking and realityTV and social media to know what beings have bought and ledgered that theProvenance topics fantastically and always has in our society, that eliminating themiddle that raises very little value is a good idea. And the Internet’s been doing it. Technology’s been doing that for, for its totality as a call. Like I’m not, I’m notgonna do that for you. I don’t need to do that for you. It’s just gonna play out.Why did principals and Indians and cavemen depict their faces withcolors and have skins that were like, this has been going on. This is a foregone conclusion. So here’s my ranting. And I’ll see you in three years. I don’t care if you buy an NFT. I time don’t care. – Yeah. I represent, speaking of Provenance I suppose really interesting element of that a great deal of people don’trecognize is, you are familiar with, say if you look at thisTopshot thing, right, and you think about, okay well who’s hands has this particular card been in? – So cool.- And you can looked at and run, whoa, this was actually in LeBron James wallet, for example. – Really stuffs. People don’t understand. That’s gonna be really cool. When you fill soul in 13 times at an happen, instead of going to Google or Instagram, like numerous do now, I envisage people will go to public pocketbooks and look at what they’ve done. And I’ll be like, oh, Darren, you were fucking on this blah, blah, blah. Like, you are familiar with, peoplelove to have street credit. And is just like, I knew about Pentera first. – Like Vanilla ice? – Yeah, precisely.( Darren laughing) Where like, I was early. like for me, I was early on Notorious BIG, but do I really have proof, I don’t, but I could.- Sure.- I could. – You could.- You know, like, we’re, you are familiar with, when someone’s like, Iwas early on Nirvana. Were you? Like now “youve had”, but now in 35 times, somebody who’s early on something is likely gonna have some proof to it because that entity, theband, the influencer, the person or persons, the thing is gonna have an NFT infrastructure that’s gonna prove. Could, do you understand the level of clout Darren, that somebody could have as being the first personto buy the first item that Pearl Jam put out in 1991? – If you could prove it, yeah. – Well guess what? That’s the world we’re about to go into. – That’s right, irrefutably. – Irrefutably. So I thinkProvenance is gonna be a currency that are important in an preposterou style. I ponder parties are naive.I told parties that online dating would be the standard in 2000, they chuckled at me. I said that people would buy wine-colored on the internet in 1995, they laughed at me. I told people that they are able to devote all their time on Facebook, they chuckled at me. Playing mobile activities, they tittered at me. Like, all I do is getlaughed at( Darren chortles ). And that’s when I know I’m onto something. And this one is one that’smaking a lot of beings laugh. They’re like, I’ll just take a screenshot.What’s the difference? I’m like everything. – Well, I was talking fine art with Sasha Bailey, he’s the founder of My BAE. – Hmm. – And he spoke of how he had knowledge withtraditional fine arts. For illustration, if you were to say, look at an Andy Warhol and it was the real one, Eddie Warhol and then you had a fakesitting next to it. They are indistinguishable. You can not tell thedifference between them, you know and that’s a problem.So what do they do? They go by Providence. They run, okay, who’s hands were, “whos had” this part, you know where is the history of this section. And again, that’s where the blockchain is vastly superior as a mixture. – It’s not even close. – Right? Not only that, “wheres” those Andy Warhol’s, they’re in a grave. No one’s even looking at the things. – Correct. – I go to the New York MET. I don’t know if you viewed that, but I announced about it. I go to the MET and Igo look at a decorate and I’m like, is thiseven the real painting, or did they just leant a replica here’ cause they don’t want the real one to get injured ?. – Correct. And meanwhile, somebody conversions their sketch drawing to a CryptoPunk, and you can go check if they’re the actual owner of it.You could. – You can. – You could. And then you get into themonetization of the IP. Like you look at someof the entity standards where you’re allowed to monetize something you buy up to a hundred thousand not like, there’s so much nifty substance. It’s just gonna be neat. That’s like the word like I’ve been using the word neat. Like, I don’t know if it produces me back to when I was four- – It’s a child, it’snostalgic thing right, it’s neat. – It’s neat, it’s fucking elegant. – Well, that’s why makingthe artwork for myself as well. A pile of the artistry I makeliterally establishes me laugh as I’m making it, you know like there’s a hilarity in it. And I’m hoping you havethe same experience with your doodling,( ambiguou) – I imply, are you kidding me? – There’s a pleasure in it, right? – I signify, look atPatient Pig, how can you-( Darren laughing) – That’s right.- You know, like, Icouldn’t be more excited to be a part of this. I am really happy that I’ve been able to bring a lot of awareness. I’ve had a lot of beautiful DMS and things like, you know, I have a big platform and I’m able to bring awareness to people, the Flamingo project, or, you know Felicia sort of, you are familiar with, whatever it might be like it’s just really fun. – Hmm. Let’s talk railings though. Let’s talk difficulties. – Please. – You know what, youknow, Ethereum obviously, you are familiar with, if you’re minting on Ethereum like it’s got some technological troubles. – Clearly. – You know, it’s too much success. – Yep, gas is expensive. – Gas is terrible, you know. We had various kinds of a mini crypto winter in the prowes panorama where I don’t know, you talked about that you’ve been following it for months.And it was just on firein October, November, come December Ethereumprices kind of skyrocketed and all of a sudden beings couldn’t originate or they could create, but they couldn’t mint. They couldn’t tokenize unlessthey were upper echelon. You know, where do you see that disappearing? – Too early for me to make a call that I would wanna looked at on and say, okay, you were smart or you were an idiot. I just don’t know. That’s the honest truth. I know human dynamics. So what do I represent by that? I know that there’s an incredible quantity of people that arebuilding on top of Ethereum that the network is so vast that the stakes are so collectively high-pitched that beings that are dramatically more technically skilled than I are tackling it at brutish degrees. Now I do think that people are naive a little with L-two and all that. Like, I think there is some naivete justification when you want it to happen, you know I’m thinking a lot about the burning and wrapping of tokens, you know, like, listen I would neverhave buy CryptoPunks if I didn’t know what wrapping was.- Right. – Because I would have been too scared. Like, you know, I, you know they’re very different engineerings but there was a day where Yahoowas the only search engine. – Sure. – And then Google came along. And I sit here and say, well, there could be adifferent blockchain, like – Ask Jeeves. – Correct, I signify, looking how great Flow is. Roham you know learned a lot, -( coughs) Excuse me. – Being up on Kitties andthe scalable the questions and, you know, Flow, andthere’s tons, there’s tons of invention going on on this.So, Ethereum scaling controversies scare me less than they did six months ago. – Hmm. – Because I getting enough notion that if it doesn’t, it doesn’t mean all the resources go to zero. – Right. – And I’m a person that doesn’t have the skillset nor to be honest, the interest on how the concrete and steel is performed. I like designing the chamber. – Hmm. – Got it? So I try to stay improved enough that I can speak to the way I’m speaking to you where I’m dangerous, right. I can be a little hazardous but I’m not the person that’s gonna are talking here about the technical underpinnings at the different levels that so many others can. What I devote my passionand period and skillset on, is the human dynamicson top of those things. Now I don’t want to getcaught with my throbs down which is why I try tostay knowledgeable-ish, but to speak aboutscalability of Ethereum, that is above my pay position.( Darren chuckles) – I various kinds of see in my view, that we’ll get to a extent where there’s a elevation of interoperability, that you are familiar with, perhaps these tokens are moving from one chain to another .( clears throat) I symbolize, there is obviouslya technological challenge now. – I think that that is something that is in thebest interest of everyone, thus attains me think likely. – Well, on the flip side you could say, well, maybe it’s morelike the Beta max VHS situation where VHS reigned because it simply was the onethat was more widely used. And you are familiar with, you could makethat dispute for Ethereum. – I think you could, but the speeding of technologyadvancements are so different today compared to what it would have taken for a third, you are familiar with, cool. But that was a one-on-one battle. If the fast and costs associated with innovating back then in that game, might’ve led to something announced PS-nine, which ought to have been destroyed VHS. – Sure. – And I think that’s how I look at a Flow had the indulgence ofknowing what Ethereum was. – Right. Yup, what do you thinkof the whole, you know kind of there’s these, you know kind of curated backgrounds for halls and then there’s the ones thatare kind of the wide open.Like where do you findyourself drawn to the most? – Neither and both. – Hmm. – To me both will be successful of whomever prevails. Right, so you will havemeaningful participates in both. – Okay. – And then I think you’ll have accentuating technologywhere people like myself and others can do it on their own domain and simply have the underpinnings of the capabilities within it. – Hmm! Let’s bringing it to your background a little bit here. What do you think it is about this, you are familiar with, you talkedabout it a little once, but you know you’ve talkedabout your childhood. What is it about your childhood like that really clickswith it, you think? – That’s a great question.You know, my mother’s side of the family has a very heavy leaningtowards storytelling. They’re just like funny Russian uncles who get drunk and story-tell, and I’m like, okay that’s something,( rustles) being an immigrant and learning how to speak English by watching “Scooby-Doo”, “Batman”, the “Adam West”stuff and “The Hulk”, the movie organization, you are familiar with, the Tv staff Tv reveal, “Dukes of Hazzard”, like a lot of seventies and eighties IP taught mehow to speak the language. And I feel cementedmy Americana, you know. Being a shopkeeper manager, you are familiar with I think this is just the modern stones and rubies and you know, like amber. I would’ve probably been a great character in the gold rush, you know? And so DNA and environment of like I do thoughts theimmigrant can’t speak English.These are the thingsthat taught me English and they’re all IP, probablyhas something to do with it. I can’t really unwrap it, sweetened pickles- – But there’s a comfort youfind in that in a certain sense. – Yeah, for certain. And then I maintained it. Like I affection garage selling my entire life and buying toys and diaries and cups and T-shirts up IP happy days, more Mork and Mindy. Like I precisely always inclined to nostalgia Americana IP, that shit. – Yeah, yeah. Very interesting. Different question only. Thoroughly kind of a– Please. – Bit of a change now, you are familiar with I guess a good deal about how this will change the route economies work on a kind of a macro scale, you know. Any judgments on that inregards to, you know. – Big time. – You know, it’s kind of changing the route we, we transact. – I consider I will become a central bank. – Hmm! – I reckon humen will have economies built around them because ofaccess and metadata.- Hmm! How does that workin our current system without there being a huge conflict? Or is that inescapable? – I represent, if you’re going super macro with me around like cryptocurrency and NFTs versus, youknow, sovereign people. – Which is like say, Fiat money versus- – Oh, I think it’s a, Ithink it’s a big, big deal.- Yeah. – I think that there’sinevitable regulation that is overbearing and it vary how bigthe movement is at the time to see what the counter-reaction is. I make, I thoughts the stakes are high. If you believe that Bitcoin earns, then you believe in the massive scarcity of leverage of monarch commonwealths. – Hmm. Or that they just rush in and they try to have their own little hash crusade going on and try to- – They’re going to do that.- Get as much as they can, right. If they are– They’re going to do that. – I mean, Germany I feel likeis my prediction to go first. Like I belief oh they’re gonna. They’re gonna have to– Why German in particular? – By the path, when I say complete instinctive wild guess of like, I always “ve been thinking about” who’s incentivized, but big enough. – Hmm. See,’ campaign I would lean towards say something like say Iran or something like that. – They once kind ofhave their own control if you think about it, if you think of Germany as a major player in Europe where Europe is now kindof like a third musician in the world behind the US and China, it’s almost like they’re incentivized to do a move to almost like re-energize, you know, cause don’t forget, that’s the part of theworld that was number one.And I always think there’ssome underscore antagonism when “youre using” your spot, I speculate America losing to China in that global leader over the next hundred years will be like an interesting underlining resentment the method that London andGermany look at the US. And so I dunno, I’ve always had this weird feeling in my owngame of chess in my top that if there was aplace that would do this first and most meaningful, but that was big enoughto actually matter.So that’s always been my hot guests. – Are they competent enough to fight it? – I don’t know. I genuinely don’t. – I often wonder. – I mean- I be known, – I just see a trafficlight arrangement make, you now 2 months to get installedin my place I don’t know if they can fight this. – Yeah, well that( Darren laughing) that is a really good point. In world , no. In give a ordinance that compiles things illegal that they are able to obligate our principal twisting, yes. – Hmm. Well, and that can cause harm. I don’t know if it stops. I don’t think it can be stopped. – Yeah. I think you’re probably right. I think it’s like booze. You can do prohibition but make preparations for the ramifications -( chuckles) And be prepared for people to still be exhausting booze. – Correct.( Darren laughing) – Yeah, all right.Talk about your hopes. I necessitate, you didn’t, couldn’t give a great deal of detail there about your jobs, but you are familiar with, what do you construe? What are you hoping happening here over the next year herewith your experience in the NFT world, with your experience in NFT art, what are youhoping to see happen? – By far, my reaction to that question is the 13 to 27 relationshipsI make in this next year. That mirror, the ones I shaped in 2006 like the Kevin roses and the MSGs and the Travis and theSockers and Dave Morin’s and you know, merely these real rapports. Mike, you know Lazarus and Belsky like these real, real, real alliances. I envisage I’m gonna start some of my best friends in mylife over the next year.- That’s awesome. I know for myself, you are familiar with, really connecting local communities I’ve made some awesome friends that, you know we connect on a daily basis, you know. – This is going to be a year that I manufacture some best good friend. – That’s awesome. Anything, any last wordsyou wanna wrap up with? I know you’re kinda tight on time. I’m guessing you are a pretty busy guy, so – Yes, I unquestionably was informed that. I can definitely, that I’m grateful that I’m accessible. That I’m intellectually charitable. I was so offering withthe ability to get mine that I ever, that I’ma person that believes in like abundance. So if there’s anything Ican be a help to anybody. I think everyone can win. And to be thoughtfulon the investing place. I do belief people need to be very careful. There’s gonna be a trillion jobs and there’s only so much demand. And right now a lot of the demand is from people that arefinancially incentivized.They don’t really care about it. They’re gonna buy this thing’ cause they think in a weekit’s gonna be this much. And that’s okay. I don’t judge that. I’m an financier, I’ma capitalist, you know in the good sense of the world meaning I want it to be fair. That’s why I love a good deal about this. I think it’s pure capitalism. Like there’s, it actually, a game of who is goodnot let’s rig the game. And so- – It’s a meritocracy, yeah. – It’s a meritocracy, that’s such a good point. I really would tell peoplelike be musing because when it punches, when it sounds or it goes down, you are familiar with, it’ll hurt, it’ll be fast. It’ll be hard to liquidate.There’s not enough emphasize demand to carry what’s going on. And so you have speculation at flake. Buy what you like or really do homework on things you genuinely believe are gonna work. For instance, every great IP, Darren that’s about to come out, whether it’s “Star Wars”, or “Star Trek”, or “Alf”, or “Smurfs” or whatever, right. I’m gonna looking very carefullyon how they built it. You know, because I can’t just say, oh the Pokemon thing is gonnacrush’ cause it’s Pokemon. If it’s sloppy and not careful, the dynamics won’t play out to make it a good quote-unquote investment. – Yeah, yeah. Well then you just have a repeat of the ICO thing we learnt. – This is gonna be a big ICO moment, just so you know, this will be that the shit-coin like actuality is there’s gonna be an ungodly extent of NFTs that sell for a lot inthe first three months and go to very small places.So pay very close attentionto who’s behind it. For precedent, for me what I’m gonna do is gonna be with me to the die I die, which gives me tremendous confidence in the economics around that ecosystem back to economies around people. Unfortunately, I fantasize a great deal of people that have my leveraging ofawareness and audience, I think are gonna go for the quick 3, 4,$ 5 million compose. And I think that’s gonna hurt them and it’s definitely gonna hurt their supporters. And I prudence people to be courteous as they continue to navigate specially these next 24 months. But these next 24 years in NFT are gonna be remarkable. – Yeah, a 100%. Hey, I truly appreciateyou taking this time and I’m looking forward to your podcast. I hear you’re doing it with somebody else in my community next week.Now I don’t wanna give awaytoo much about that yet.’ stimulate I’m not sure if he’s even said, but I’m aroused to hear that as well. And I certainly appreciate youtaking the time to do this. I symbolize, of all thethings you could be doing with your time right now, why is it that, you are familiar with, this is what you’re doing. I’m curious. – I like people that are authentic to the thing that I’m stimulated about. – Hmm! That’s awesome. – It could be a lot of reverie people who are gonna punched me a little. It’s already happened. There will be a lot of super famed super affluent, super leveraged, super tactical people. There’s all the naturalpeople that I’m friends with that are also in, andthose are real relations but there’s something important to me that if I go into someone’s home, I are willing to elite and therules are take your shoes off. I wanna make them off. So that’s somewhere else the other day. And it kind of feels that way to me.I want real affections, real affairs. I want to be in this communityfor the rest of my life. And the only way I knowhow to do that is to be … Is to generate price. I know that in real life, that my illusion on your podcast for you gives you leverage to domore with your podcasts. And I wanted to go for you. – I was informed that. – And the number one asset that I can, the number one asset I protect is time. – Hmm! – So to me, writing, has become a $ 5,000 patronize of your podcast is a hell of a lot less meaningful oflike me knowing the truth than me earmarking this time. – Right on yeah.- And so that’s- – I’d be okay with that extremely.( both laughter) – We can have that convo too.Anyway, my friend thank you for your time. I gotta run. – Right on. Thank you very much.- Bye there. – Thank you so much.- Take care. – See you in the cliques. I hope to devote realtime in person as well. – Awesome. – Take care- Cheers. Where do “were living”? – I live in Alberta, Canada. – Love it, adoration it. I actually- – I cherish New York though. I had tickets booked. I had hotel booked. I had tickets for Hamilton booked. I was all ready with my wife to come out there for a week.- Gonna be going on lot of conferences. So I’m sure we’ll be synced.- Oh man, I was crushed. 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