– So here’s my rant. And I’ll see you in three years. I don’t care if you buy an NFT. I simply don’t care.( upbeat music) You got your perspective. I just wanna be happy.Don’t you wanna be happy?( trendy move instrumentals) – Hey, this is the NonFunGerbils podcast NFP with your multitude DKleine. And today I have a veryspecial client, GaryVee. Welcome to the show. – I really applauded the fact. Thank you for having me. – Okay, this is wild. I have to tell you. I’m pretty excited about this. I truly appreciate youmaking day for this. – Thank you, thank you forsaying that, I’m flattered. I’m really excited to be on it candidly. – Yeah, I’ve noticed you’re making quite the deep dive into the whole NFT art scene the last couple of periods, I’ve seen you all over the place.I saw you on CryptoCampfire the other day. – Hmm! – Tell me about, you know it seems like when you’re doing something you just go full board at it. – I really do. And I truly, you know, it’s funny beings don’t know this about me because they recognize all the energy. You know, what’s so funny, I think so much of the exertion that I imparting has to do with the fact that usually, it’s because I’ve been pent up for three to four months about something I’m evoked about, right? So for example, youknow, with sports cards which was something similar that I got very passionate about, you are familiar with I grew up passionate about it and then I get particularly, very passionate about it about three years ago, it was various, several months, maybe almost a year on that one that I was doing real homework before I had come out and said this, that, and the other thing.Now, I’ve been doing lightweight homework, you know since probably this summer, you are familiar with, on NFTs. The conclude I bought Ethereum in 2016 after AaronBattalion, big shout out to Aaron Battalion formerCTO of Living Social, huge VC, great technologists, civilized me on it at South by Southwest. Was mostly the understanding of the potential of what became NFTs. Like I was like, Oh, okay, this isn’t currency this is framer buildon time, you know like, stage and so, I conclude I get so loud and evoked’ reason I’ve been wanting to be loud and stimulated for months.I basically do 60, 70% of my knowledge base before I say a word to the world. – Hmm! – For example, I’ve been doing that with BR quite a bit, I’m very deep into BR more than parties think’cause I never talk about. Even this mentioned isalready a lot for me by my standards, becauseI don’t like to talk about things that I don’tknow anything about. Now, I don’t mind to be in this place where I’m like, hey, I have some real opinions and understandings and thoughts and possibilities, comma. There’s still a lot ofthings I need to know to really feel comfy the action I do about social media orwine or sports cards. But I don’t feel like I’ll be flustered. I feel like I understand my point of view on what the consumers aregonna do with that FT. I feel like I can speak, I can speak to ERC-2 0 and ERC-7 21 and I can speak to cryptopunks and larva labs. And I can speak to Pepe being a BTC a Bitcoin version of like I can, you know, I is aware that wrapping is now.Like, you are familiar with, like I can, I can I can hang enough where I’m not waste people’s time because what I’m great at according to my mother, but in all seriousness what I’m very comfortable withis purchaser demeanor. I necessitate, what I can say today, for example, I can saythe following sentence to an public, you are familiar with, I’m picking very specific arranges I wanna be on. Podcast I know got a lot of epoch. You know, DK. I do this show because of the people you comma, the people that I anticipatelistening to this show which is a very authentic OG, courteous, luminous, style community.- It is. It’s an astonishing thing. – I know, I do a great deal of homework, so I feel very comfortable I know who’s listening right now, which is people I revere is whatwould be the word I use. Comma, what I repute I bring to the table in 1995 when I went to dotcom or email or Google AdWords or YouTube or social or everythingI’ve done in my life Madison Avenue’s startup land, I can bring things like, hey everybody, listen. And am just unbelievably comfortable to leant this on the record, NFT over the next 12 to 18 months is gonna be very similar to ICO. – Yep. – 97% of these projects are gonna collapse in secondary cost. It’s gonna confusepeople, say it was a fad, it was beanie newborns. Comma, the underliningtech, and buyer action is gonna be one of themost significant things that happens in modern technology.- I’m with you. – Cool, so are happy to me that’s– I can associate. – Yeah, satisfy, please. – Yeah.- Take it away. – I don’t wanna take up too much of your- – No, take it apart. – Time in the podcastbut’ cause it’s your say I had the same experience when I learned about Bitcoin and Ethereum. I literally spent a year learning about it before I did anything about it. And then I just couldn’tcontain myself anymore. And I began used to describe it. And that’s how I got towriting for “Coin Telegraph” was just through blogging about it and writing about it every day until the point thatpeople noticed my writing. And that’s when last yearI had the opportunity to write about crypto art in particular and extremely aboutthe scum art motion. And that simply flip-flop a switch for me because I was like holy crap, this is Marcel Duchamp.This is data. This is the beginning of– A 100% – It’s the beginning of modern art, – 100%, 100%. – It’s a renaissance or a renaissance of that same process yetnow in a digital era. – And comma, those artists impelled peanuts. – Yeah. – In the arrangement of the economics that happened over the next 50 years. The knowledge that theJackson Pollock of today, whoever she or he may be, his family will becollecting checks in 31 years – Yeah. – On a royalty smooth on a transaction moves my nerve smile, Darren in a way that you couldn’t imagine. – Yeah. It’s amazing, With that too, these same artists, whereas before they were the artists, you are familiar with, in the amateurish invests with the, you know, cheap paintall over their robes or whatever and thenthere was the collector and that was a different group wholly. You now have this combination. Like I muster prowes, I never certainly collectedher before in “peoples lives”. And now I accumulate it regularly. – Do you transact on art, Darren? – I do, yes. I create art, I sell art.I sell secondary, yeah. – Do you buy art and resell it at times you time decide to do? – Yes, yes. – This isn’t, the reason I question that is that’s probably gonnabe the most interesting thing in the super short term for me, which is what is the OG community gonna think about, what I know is coming, which is an enormous amount of collector, flipper, trader at heart people who are gonna get much more enjoyment of buying a piece of art and reselling it than doing that with a stock.- Right. – Than do that with a money. Like for example, I have the same feeling, like for example, the prowes I have behind me Alice Barrett former employee I patronize artistry from a friend standpoint. – Hmm – Number one, number two – Personal networks is keyto networking, it’s key. – I’m just, I’m giving you like, I am a baseball poster comic book, collectible doll flipper at heart. I cherish it. I adoration buying, you know a off-color snaggle tooth that came from the Cedars Cantina prepared’ movement that’s the raresnaggletooth versus the ruby-red clothing and buying that at agarage sale for four horses and selling it on eBay for 200 horses or buying it for a hundred bucks and selling it for 200 bucks later’ lawsuit I thought it was a downtime for “Star Wars” or, I enjoy that.I don’t like stock exchange. I don’t experience buying astock and then reselling it. No gratification. I affection flea market, garagesales, sports cards culture. – Well, let me, let me encourage you then to look into where that really happens because of course you cango to the Nifty Gateway, you can go, I do havework on known cause, for example, however I didn’t start on KnownOrigin of course, right. I started on Rarible. – I know Rarible is a good one. – I started on OpenSea, right? And that’s where you can get that garage sale type of- – A 100%, am on those platforms- – When you find that gem, right? – I, SuperRare, OpenSea, Rarible, like Bitski, I’m watching everything.I’m watching everything, and right now( rustles) I’m just unusually mesmerized because I think there’s a huge amount of humans on earth that share my DNA that nobody talks about, which is the following. That trading component is much more fun in NFTs than it is in realestate or wall st.. Number two, and this is where it gets really interesting for me. This is a real thing thatI’ve been doing my whole life. – You got to tokenize those. – Are you kidding me? It’s like the thing thatkeeps me up at night. I’m like, oh my God. In grammar school, kindergarten, first evaluate one-third tier, sixth position, a good deal of teenagers knew me as a doodler as last-minute parties reflected I was gonna be- – I was the same way, I was the same way. – That I was gonna be an artist, which never get talkedabout in my narrative , not something I share.And you have to watchmy blogs very carefully and you’ll see that I’m doodling a lot in finds, right? So, when this all smacked my radar, you know, that was something thatreally got me psychological. I’m like, oh my God, is this gonna be like, wow, God literally, this is something I said, God, thank you, it’sliterally something I told us to myself, six months left, God, are you kidding me? Have you composed a engineering that takes all that is I am, how to build a community, you know, understanding storytelling, the doodling component, the garage sale flipping, the trash bin kid, like it, this is crazy.This is like my life’s work. So I’ve been very cautious and thoughtful of my entry into this worldbecause I don’t wanna, I know I have a big platform now. I’m not who I was the firstcouple of durations, you are familiar with, – Hmm, Hmm. – I obviously, I definitely am worried to drive world markets. – Right. – I’m incredibly a little scared that, Darren. I’m scared to talk about- – You’re scared of creating a bubble, is that what you mean? – You know, it’s funny.I’m actually not because I recollect I’m only gonna buy and talk about things that I’ve decided are 30 -year projects. – Okay. – So I’m actually not scaredcause I feel I’m good. It’s what happened in sports cards. In the sports cards world, I’ve been uncomfortably right. – Hmm – And it’s because I’mreally darn good at this. And so I’m talking about NFT as a genre.I’m not really talking about projects because I exactly have more homework to do. I’ve you know, I’ve alluded to so I’ll get it on now as well. I have decided that CryptoPunksis a 30 -year project. – Hmm. – And there’s been a million sections and this audience doesn’tneed me was why. So I won’t spend time on that. But no, I’m worried about being perceived as pumping and dropping as procreating. And so it’s, I gotta really be careful of how I’m gonna navigate but I’m not actuallyscared about the bubble. I am probably scaredabout the macro bubble. Like when the inevitable shit punches the love with all these projects, I do anticipate everythinggets dragged down with it.So I am scared to tell friends to invest in things or– Right. – Because even though Ithink Punks is a steal do I think if in nine months or 13 months or 16 months there’s that hole moment’ cause there’s just too much afford and there’s not sustainability of the secondary demand, could it go down with it? I do. Do I think that’s probably one I’ll drive most by the rise in? To me, it’s April 2000, Darren. – Yeah! Yeah! – April 2000 is when the stock market crumbled, internet stocks everyone is bailed on the internet itself. And that’s when I tripleddown on the internet and said , no , no , no, the stocks might’ve been overvalued but the whole genre’s going nowhere.- Yeah. – And that was when Ibought my Amazon stock for the first time cause it was like- – Right, of course. – And so like that’swhat I’ll do with NFTs. When and if, when and if because precisely’ case I think it might, it may not. But if it does have that instant that’s probably whatI’ll go shopping the most on the things that I’vedeemed most meaningful. But there’s so much I convey, different blockchains and you are familiar with, right. You know, Ethereum, Flow, There’s so much going on there. Different, there’ll be many more. There’s Ethereum scale, wrapping things, burning things like, you are familiar with, there’s a lot to think through.This is early, early, early days. – Yeah, absolutely. What are your thoughts on garbage artwork? Have you looked at that, look back that at all? – Not deep yet. I’m still in the time where, because I decided punks was real that I devote an ungodly sum of season drilling myself there. – Yup. – And I’m continuouslyspending most of my epoch doing substance like this, whether in private or public I want to become friends with parties in their local communities, Iwanna offer my importance to them. I wanna meeting with members and I’m still learning. So I haven’t departed, you know, I’ve done awfully face height nonsense with like HashMasks withCryptokitties I’ve looked at a little bit for my own education.’ Cause that was obviously like numerous, the first thing I’ve looked at, Top shot carefully, I’ve looked at a lot of the wax trash’ campaign I like Street Fighter and Garbage Pail Kids. I’ve look back, you know, I’vedone my homework on beings. So I’ve done a bit on the individual artist front, artifacts.Some you are familiar with, the Bitskiprojects. I’ve looked at stuff, I’ve done my random, like three hour deep dives into OpenSea and Nifty merely to poke around. And( stammers) But I haven’t yet on scrap skill but I’m elicited to, and I will. – Probably one of the best places to look for that is theartist that I interviewed for that segment that I wroteabout announced “Immutable Trash”. – You can send me that association after this. – I will. – I’ll read it over the weekend. – Yeah, sure as shooting. His name is Robness. He’s probably the best-known trash masters along with Max Osiris. And of course following that, there’s a huge crusade of more masters that join in with that. And I actually sent you the link to it in your Twitter, if you want to peek at it but it’s a bit of a read to do during a dialogue apparently – Yeah, I’m not gonna do that, yeah I wanna places great importance on this. – It wouldn’t be practical – But those two stand out.Another enormous arrange to go if you wanna find out more about justthat entire action in a community building is the art gallery auction house on telegram, Daniel Penn. I believe Crypto Campfirementioned them more, actually.- Okay. – That was actually where I notice a home when I began this as an master because I’m coming from a different world. I’m a schoolteacher. I teach full-time, I began writing’ generate I merely enjoy writing. – Hmm. – And from that I time, when I saw the crypto prowess I was just like, feltlike what you were saying where it’s like all these different things I cherish just came together into this one. – I even felt- – I can’t stop “ve been thinking about” like, I’m preoccupied with it. – Listen, I’m preoccupied with e-sports. I’m haunted with the cannabis industry. I grew up in the wine business. I don’t smoke, but I’m mesmerized. I’m preoccupied with countless micro things. Things have happened, somany things have happened, but I have not felt anything like this since 2005 when I was like, oh, the Internet’s about to make a big change.This social media thing, this is a real thing. This isn’t a- – This is like third-wave here. – Yeah, this, yeah. that’s right. I feel like for me it’s 95 oh five. I’m kind of mad that it’s not 2015′ cause then they’d bea nice round amounts.( Darren laughing) But it’s oh five-nine, you are familiar with, it’s 95 oh five- – It’s probably someFibonacci thing or something. – Yeah, probably( Darren laughing ). But, goddamn it’s exciting. And like the, and thefact that I get to bleed in my collecting snapping like, like pop culture, IP, retro.Oh fucking, it’s just so exciting. – Yeah, it goes beyond that, right? Like I mean, people getexcited about the money right. And of course the money’s great, like the fact that a person like, like I was- – To me, it’s not the money. It’s the being right. – I cherish being right.( laughing) – I cherish being right. Like , no, but truly it’s like, I’m only, I don’t wanna be right so I can tell people I’m right. It’s like a funny activity with myself. – It’s a game, I’m winning video games when I do that. – Am I right? Is this kid- – Yeah, it’s true. And I love when people are like, nah, ah and then, you are familiar with, twoyears later it’s like, ah. – That’s everything to me .( Darren mocks) You know, you may know this’ generate you have a lot of framework for me.It’s why I adore substantiating. I affection, you know, when someone’s like, oh, Gary, you’re a fly-by-night and I can be demonstrated him my point of view on virtual goods in 2010. I don’t know if you identified that clip. – I don’t know if it will all fly-by-night at thispoint anymore( chortling ). – Yeah, but you know what , not fly-by-night, you know what, people are like, oh, you’rejust jump-start on this. – Right.- You know, – Bandwagon or something.- You don’t care about NFTs. Yeah, and I’m like, lookat this video in 2010 when I’m talking about virtual money and virtual goods likethis has been on my mind in some shape or form fora exceedingly, very long time. It really prime time now. – It’s a consummation of a number of different elements- A fruition. coming together, you know.- Yes. – Coalescing. Absolutely. You know, and but withthat, what I was saying was the money’s great like it’s amazing. I was talking to someonejust the other day who I forget which country he lives in.It was a developing country. And he told me to, this art that I sold I’m paying my kids’ academy fees with it. Like this is like life-changing, – Game changer. – For a lot of people. – I know somebody whosold a Hashmask in India to a big collector that is like more coin than his parents have realise in five years. – Yeah, next grade, yeah. You know, the opportunities are huge but beyond that too, it’s this community and that’s maybe a littleharder to see with, you know the Hashmasksand the CryptoPunks.But when you get down into the dirt of it, as I have as an artist starting by like, like some other, just soldmy first piece the other day and it was terrible. It was, I merely made a Bitcoin logo and I employed it into an app called Photomosh and it softened it and madeit looks just like a fried egg. And I called it “Fried Bitcoin”, right? And a chap was like, hey, is that your first case? I want that, right. It’s a great feeling, right. – It’s an intense feeling. For me, what’s been interesting about this is thinking through the metadata. – Hmm. – So I, my project is gonnabe very very interesting. – Okay. – And I don’t wanna give too much away but I wanna give you a little something for our history we’lllook back at one day. – Very interesting. – All my time– And, I’m assuming, I’m assuming in yourcase you’ve got parties facilitating this process. – When you say facilitating, – What I make is gettingeverything set up, getting everything tokenized, getting a, you are familiar with, if you’re going beyond that, if you’re doing something with smart-alecky contract engineering and nonsense like that.- Yes, I’m talking to parties and trying to figure out where I wanna do this and how I wanna do this. When, but what’s fascinatingis the reason I asked you when you say, you know, facilitating, I am gonna select all 5,555. – Right, that’s a good point to construct. – It’s not like some of these people- – Yeah accurately! – Who have rushed inwith hiring some craftsmen and then they say– Correct. I am going to, I am gonna cause the storeys, the dynamics and the notion. The hoses, and doing itright, and get it minted and going it, smartcontract properly, yes. I’m speaking to all the, a lot of people in their local communities and trying to figure out what the right things are. So anyway– Now you said 5500 pictures, is that what you said? – Yeah. I’m already return too much. So we’ll talk about other( Darren chortles) Edit that out .( both shrieks) – Seriously dude, should I? – No , no, it’s okay, you can keep it, but I want you to have the scoop. But like build-up, don’tplay it up too much. Hopefully, it’ll merely bestarting going along- – It’ll be presented at the tweet, – Yeah.- 5500( chuckling) – But you are familiar with, it’s, I’m really excited. I’m excited, I’m provoked. I feel like I know when I find my home.I know when I’m, the sportscar parish, my house the wine-colored society, my house, the managerial community, a dwelling. This is gonna be a home and and a dwelling that is gonnashow a different slope of me up from a talent standpoint that has always been there. I’ve spoken so much about the ingenuity of being an actual entrepreneur but, this one’s really gonna be obvious and I’m gonna enjoy it.And it’s gonna open up a whole new avenue to “peoples lives” which I can exactly feel improbably aroused about. – Yeah, it’s just an opportunity to be expressive in a different way, right. – I too hope I cause people. You know, I thoughts I’vegot a lot of seeings on me. I have a communication style that lamps for certain amounts of parties. And I feel like somebody’s going to say, wait a minute, am I an artist more? And is gonna fulfill theirdestiny of being an artist.I think what NFT, what social media did was let parties to be temperaments and experts that wouldhave never been that. Influencer marketing, influencers have been art is now a collection of people who are destined to be lawyers, but are now known for yoga. Controllers that arenow known for StarTrack. And I review NFTinfrastructure is gonna grant somebody who’s destined to be a carpenter actually now to be an artist. Someone who’s destined to be a boasts agent now to be an artist. Somebody that was destined to be a stay-at-home dad now to be a artist. Somebody that was destinedto be a police officer to now be a meaningful master. The detail that artwork will now be practical to a generation of mothers, and encouraged instead of intimidated is going to be a verygood thing for society.And I’m aroused to see the birth of it. – Yeah, it’s fascinating. You know, it realise me “ve been thinking about”, I was actually just talkingto someone about this today. The meaning that, you knowwe’re talking right now about artistry NFTs, but in my judgment, I’m predict pretty muchanything that is property. At some pitch you were able to theoretically say, could that be tokenized? – Well, that’s a foregoneconclusion to your point. I believe my affection rightnow sit around originality. But for example, every record by any writer that’s got any liquor isgonna be launched as an NFT. Like I’ve got to rethinkmy part thought process of signing another notebook deal.- Hmm. – Why would I do that? I can launch it as an NFT, clear incredible dynamics deliver actual notebook onthe back of the NFT, create incrediblesecondary market dynamics. I necessitate the world countries, Darren, this is a big fucking deal. – It is. – I’m gonna sell my- – I’ve been trying to tellpeople this for two years.( chuckles) – Well, you’ve been right, good word. You know how it works you like being right? Good news, there you go .( Darren laughing) This is gonna change everything. Absolutely everything. I think what’s gonna be, what I would encourage everybody now who’s listening to fall into somethingI said the other night and I’m employ it, I like it. Don’t try to convince, have sentence. And it’s very different. You know, reassuring parties is fun but spending and not required when you’re this right. – Hmm.- So like people are like, Gary reassured me about it and this literally actuallyironically happened today. Somebody said, convinceme about the space.I’m like, I’m not going to, here’s the here’s how I’m gonna persuade you. This NFT thing is gonnabe one of the biggest technology shifts in their own lives. I’ll see you in three years. I’m not gonna sit hereand try to explain to you that you don’t understandsocial currency, human behavior. Why people wear symbols on their robes. What is happening to a digitized macrocosm. Why people will be curious like rubbernecking and realityTV and social media to know what people have purchased and ledgered that theProvenance materials improbably and ever has in our society, that eliminating themiddle that introduces very little value is a good idea. And the Internet’s been doing it. Technology’s been doing that for, for its entirety as a period. Like I’m not, I’m notgonna do that for you. I don’t need to do that for you.It’s just gonna play out. Why did leaders and Indians and cavemen paint their faces withcolors and have scalps that were like, this has been going on. This is a foregone conclusion. So here’s my rant. And I’ll see you in three years. I don’t care if you buy an NFT. I merely don’t care. – Yeah. I symbolize, speaking of Provenance I anticipate really interesting element of that a lot of people don’trecognize is, you know, say if you look at thisTopshot thing, right, and you think about, okay well who’s mitts has this particular card been in? – So cool.- And you can looked at and disappear, whoa, this was actually in LeBron James wallet, for example. – Really significances. Parties don’t understand. That’s gonna be really cool. When you fulfill mortal in 13 times at an happening, instead of going to Google or Instagram, like countless supposed to do now, I reckon parties will go to public pouches and look at what they’ve done. And I’ll be like, oh, Darren, you were fucking on this blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, peoplelove to have street credit. And be like, I knew about Pentera first. – Like Vanilla ice? – Yeah, accurately.( Darren laughing) Where like, I was early. like for me, I was early on Notorious BIG, but do I certainly have proof, I don’t, but I could. – Sure.- I could. – You could.- You know, like, we’re, you know, when someone’s like, Iwas early on Nirvana. Were you? Like now “youve had”, but now in 35 times, somebody who’s early on something is likely gonna have some proof to it because that entity, theband, the influencer, the person, the thing is gonna have an NFT infrastructure that’s gonna prove.Could, do you understand the level of prestige Darren, that somebody could have as being the first personto buy the first item that Pearl Jam put out in 1991? – If you could prove it, yeah. – Well guess what? That’s the world we’re about to go into. – That’s right, irrefutably. – Irrefutably. So I thinkProvenance is gonna be a currency that are important in an preposterou method. I contemplate beings are naive. I told people that online dating would be the standard in 2000, they tittered at me. I am of the view that beings would buy wine-coloured on the internet in 1995, they chortled at me. I told beings that they are able to devote all their time on Facebook, they chuckled at me.Playing mobile games, they tittered at me. Like, all I do is getlaughed at( Darren chortles ). And that’s when I know I’m onto something. And this one is one that’smaking a lot of people laugh. They’re like, I’ll just take a screenshot. What’s the difference? I’m like everything. – Well, I was talking fine art with Sasha Bailey, he’s the founder of My BAE. – Hmm. – And he was talking about how “hes having” suffered withtraditional fine arts. For example, if you were to say, look at an Andy Warhol and it was the real one, Eddie Warhol and then you had a fakesitting next to it. They are indistinguishable. You can not tell thedifference between them, you know and that’s a problem.So what do they do? They go by Providence. They get, okay, who’s hands were, “whos had” this piece, you know where is the history of this section. And again, that’s where the blockchain is vastly superior as a answer. – It’s not even close. – Right? Not simply that, where are those Andy Warhol’s, they’re in a roof. No one’s even looking at the things.- Correct. – I go to the New York MET. I don’t know if you viewed that, but I posted about it. I go to the MET and Igo look at a draw and I’m like, is thiseven the real painting, or did they just framed a replication here’ cause they don’t want the real one to get impaired ?. – Correct. And meanwhile, soul modifies their sketch portrait to a CryptoPunk, and you can go check if they’re the actual owner of it. You could. – You can. – You could. And then you get into themonetization of the IP. Like you look at someof the entity standards where you’re allowed to monetize something you buy up to a hundred thousand not like, there’s so much nifty trash. It’s just gonna be neat.That’s like the word like I’ve been using the word neat. Like, I don’t know if it introduces me back to when I was four- – It’s a child, it’snostalgic thing right, it’s elegant. – It’s nifty, it’s fucking elegant. – Well, that’s why makingthe artistry for myself as well. A much of the prowes I makeliterally meets me laugh as I’m making it, you know like there’s a exuberance in it. And I’m hoping you havethe same experience with your doodling,( indistinct) – I necessitate, are you kidding me? – There’s a joyfulnes in it, right? – I necessitate, look atPatient Pig, how can you-( Darren laughing) – That’s right. – You know, like, Icouldn’t be more excited to be a part of this. I am really happy that I’ve been able to bring a lot of awareness. I’ve had a lot of beautiful DMS and things like, you are familiar with, I have a big platform and I’m able to bring awareness to beings, the Flamingo project, or, you know Felicia sort of, you know, whatever it might be like it’s just really fun.- Hmm. Let’s talk obstacles though. Let’s talk troubles. – Please. – You know what, youknow, Ethereum obviously, you know, if you’re minting on Ethereum like it’s got some technological questions. – Clearly. – You know, it’s too much success. – Yep, gas is expensive. – Gas is terrible, you are familiar with. We had kind of a mini crypto winter in the prowes representation where I don’t know, you talked about that you’ve been following it for months. And it was just on firein October, November, come December Ethereumprices kind of skyrocketed and all of a sudden beings couldn’t organize or they could create, but they couldn’t mint. They couldn’t tokenize unlessthey were upper echelon. You know, where do you be understood that leading? – Too early for me to make a call that I would wanna look back on and say, okay, you were smart or you were an idiot. I only don’t know. That’s the honest truth. I know human dynamics. So what do I mean by that? I know that there’s an incredible extent of people that arebuilding on top of Ethereum that the network is so vast that the stakes are so collectively high-pitched that beings that are dramatically more technically skilled than I are tackling it at pitiless levels.Now I do think that people are naive a little with L-two and all that. Like, I think there is some naivete start when you want it to happen, you know I’m thinking a lot about the burning and wrapping of tokens, you know, like, listen I would neverhave bought CryptoPunks if I didn’t know what wrapping was. – Right. – Because I would have been too scared. Like, you know, I, you know they’re very different technologies but there was a day where Yahoowas the only search engine. – Sure. – And then Google came along. And I sit here and say, well, there could be adifferent blockchain, like – Ask Jeeves. – Correct, I mean, seem how great Flow is. Roham you know learned a lot, -( coughs) Excuse me. – Being up on Kitty andthe scalable the questions and, you know, Flow, andthere’s tons, there’s tons of invention going on on this.So, Ethereum scaling problems scare me less than they did six months ago. – Hmm. – Because I getting enough faith that if it doesn’t, it doesn’t mean all the assets go to zero. – Right. – And I’m a person that doesn’t have the skillset nor to be honest, the interest on how the concrete and steel is stirred. I like designing the room. – Hmm. – Got it? So I try to stay informed fairly that I can speak to the way I’m speaking to you where I’m hazardous, right. I can be a little hazardous but I’m not the person that’s gonna are talking here about the technical underpinnings at the different levels that so many others can.What I invest my passionand time and skillset on, is the human dynamicson top of those things. Now I don’t want to getcaught with my breathes down which is why I try tostay knowledgeable-ish, but to speak aboutscalability of Ethereum, that is above my wage gradation.( Darren chuckles) – I various kinds of anticipate in my opinion, that we’ll get to a level where there’s a height of interoperability, that you know, perhaps these tokens are moving from one chain to another.( clears throat) I mean, there is obviouslya technical challenge now. – I think that that is something that is in thebest interest of everyone, thus stirs me think likely.- Well, on the flip side you could say, well, maybe it’s morelike the Beta max VHS situation where VHS predominated because it simply was the onethat was more widely used. And you are familiar with, you were able to makethat contention for Ethereum. – I think you could, but the acceleration of technologyadvancements are so different today compared to what it would have taken for a third, you are familiar with, cool. But that was a one-on-one battle. If the move and costs associated with innovating back then in that game, might’ve led to something called PS-nine, which would have destroyed VHS. – Sure. – And I think that’s how I look at a Flow had the indulgence ofknowing what Ethereum was. – Right. Yup, what do you thinkof the whole, you know kind of there’s these, you know kind of curated vistums for halls and then there’s the ones thatare kind of the wide open. Like where do you findyourself drawn to the most? – Neither and both.- Hmm. – To me both will succeed of whomever prevails. Right, so you will havemeaningful actors in both. – Okay. – And then I think you’ll have marking technologywhere people like myself and others can do it on their own domain and just have the underpinnings of the capacity needed within it. – Hmm! Let’s fetching it to your background a little bit here. What do you think it is about this, you are familiar with, you talkedabout it a little already, but you know you’ve talkedabout your childhood. What is it about your childhood like that really clickswith it, you think? – That’s a great question. You know, my mother’s side of the family has a very heavy leaningtowards storytelling. They’re just like funny Russian uncles who get drunk and story-tell, and I’m like, okay that’s something,( sorrows) being an immigrant and learning how to speak English by watching “Scooby-Doo”, “Batman”, the “Adam West”stuff and “The Hulk”, the movie staff, you know, the TV staff Tv appearance, “Dukes of Hazzard”, like a lot of seventies and eighties IP coached mehow to speak the language.And I think cementedmy Americana, you know. Being a broker instructor, you are familiar with I think this is just the modern stones and rubies and you know, like amber. I would’ve probably been a great character in the gold rush, you know? And so DNA and circumstance of like I do anticipate theimmigrant can’t speak English. These are the thingsthat educated me English and they’re all IP, probablyhas something to do with it. I can’t really unwrap it, sweet pickles- – But there’s a convenience youfind in that in a sense. – Yeah, for sure. And then I maintained it. Like I adoration garage selling my totality life and buying toys and records and cups and T-shirts up IP happy days, more Mork and Mindy. Like I precisely always inclined to nostalgia Americana IP, that shit. – Yeah, yeah. Very interesting. Different question absolutely. Totally kind of a– Please. – Bit of a alter now, you know I anticipate a great deal about how this will change the highway economies work on a kind of a macro flake, you know.Any guess on that inregards to, you know. – Big time. – You know, it’s kind of changing the behavior we, we transact. – I thoughts I will become a central bank. – Hmm! – I reckon humans will have economies built around them because ofaccess and metadata. – Hmm! How does that workin our current system without there being a huge conflict? Or is that inevitable? – I want, if you’re going super macro with me around like cryptocurrency and NFTs versus, youknow, sovereign people. – Which is like say, Fiat money versus- – Oh, I think it’s a, Ithink it’s a big, big deal. – Yeah. – I think that there’sinevitable regulation that is overbearing and it is highly dependent on how bigthe movement is at the time to see what the counter-reaction is. I necessitate, I make the stakes are high. If you believe that Bitcoin acquires, then you believe in the massive deficiency of leveraging of sovereign nations.- Hmm. Or that they just rush in and they try to have their own little hash struggle going on and try to- – They’re going to do that. – Get as much as they can, right. If they are– They’re going to do that. – I entail, Germany I feel likeis my prediction to go first. Like I speculate oh they’re gonna.They’re gonna have to– Why German including? – By the lane, when I say complete intuitive wild guess of like, I ever think about who’s incentivized, but big enough. – Hmm. See,’ compel I would lean towards say something like say Iran or something like that. – They once kind ofhave their own control if you think about it, if you think of Germany as a leading player in Europe where Europe is now kindof like a third player in the world countries behind the US and China, it’s almost like they’re incentivized to do a move to almost like re-energize, you are familiar with, generate don’t forget, that’s the part of theworld that was number one.And I ever think there’ssome underline pressure when you use your discern, I thoughts America losing to China in that global leader over the next hundred years will be like an interesting underlining resentment the style that London andGermany look at the US. And so I dunno, I’ve always had this weird feeling in my owngame of chess in my manager that if there was aplace that would do this first and most meaningful, but that was big enoughto actually matter. So that’s always been my hot guests. – Are they competent enough to fight it? – I don’t know.I genuinely don’t. – I often wonder. – I mean- I just know, – I be seen a trafficlight organisation make, you now about two months to get installedin my place I don’t know if they can fight this. – Yeah, well that( Darren laughing) that is a really good point. In reality , no. In advance a principle that forms things illegal that they are able to procreate our heading slant, yes. – Hmm. Well, and that can cause harm. I don’t know if it stops. I don’t think it can be stopped. – Yeah. I think you’re probably right. I think it’s like booze. You can do prohibition but be prepared for the forks -( laughter) And be prepared for people to still be devouring booze. – Correct.( Darren laughing) – Yeah, all right.Talk about your hopes. I convey, you didn’t, couldn’t give a lot of detail there about your jobs, but you are familiar with, what do you accompany? What are you hoping happening here over the next year herewith your experience in the NFT world, with your experience in NFT art, what are youhoping to see happen? – By far, my reaction to that question is the 13 to 27 relationshipsI make in this next year. That reflect, the ones I acquired in 2006 like the Kevin roses and the MSGs and the Travis and theSockers and Dave Morin’s and you know, time these real friendships.Mike, you know Lazarus and Belsky like these real, real, real alliances. I contemplate I’m gonna stimulate some of my best friends in mylife over the next year. – That’s awesome. I know for myself, you know, just affiliating local communities I’ve made some awesome friends that, you know we connect on a daily basis, you know. – This is going to be a year that I constitute some best good friend. – That’s awesome. Anything, any last wordsyou wanna wrap up with? I know you’re kinda close-fisted on time. I’m guessing you are a pretty busy guy, so – Yes, I definitely appreciate that. I is absolutely, that I’m grateful that I’m available. That I’m intellectually magnanimous. I was so endowed withthe ability to get mine that I always, that I’ma person that believes in like abundance. So if there’s anything Ican be a help to anybody. I think everyone can win. And to be thoughtfulon the investing side.I do anticipate people need to be very careful. There’s gonna be a trillion jobs and there’s only so much demand. And right now a lot of the demand is from parties that arefinancially incentivized. They don’t really be concerned about it. They’re gonna buy this thing’ cause they think in a weekit’s gonna be this much. And that’s okay. I don’t is of the view that. I’m an inventor, I’ma capitalist, you know in the good sense of the world meaning I want it to be fair. That’s why I love a lot about this. I think it’s unadulterated capitalism. Like there’s, it actually, a game of who is goodnot let’s rigging the game.And so- – It’s a meritocracy, yeah. – It’s a meritocracy, that’s such a good point. I time would tell peoplelike be pithy because where reference is hits, when it slams or it goes down, you know, it’ll hurt, it’ll be fast. It’ll be hard to liquidate. There’s not enough emphasize demand to carry what’s going on. And so you have speculation at flake. Buy what you like or really do homework on things you genuinely believe are gonna work. For speciman, every great IP, Darren that’s about to come out, whether it’s “Star Wars”, or “Star Trek”, or “Alf”, or “Smurfs” or whatever, right. I’m gonna regard very carefullyon how they construct it. You know, because I can’t just say, oh the Pokemon thing is gonnacrush’ cause it’s Pokemon. If it’s sloppy and not thoughtful, the dynamics won’t play out to make it a good quote-unquote investment.- Yeah, yeah. Well then you just have a repeat of the ICO thing we identified. – This is gonna be a massive ICO moment, just so you know, this will be that the shit-coin like world is there’s gonna be an ungodly sum of NFTs that sell for a lot inthe first three months and going to see very small places. So pay very close attentionto who’s behind it. For illustration, for me what I’m gonna do is gonna be with me to the die I die, which gives me tremendous confidence in the economics around that ecosystem back to economies around parties. Regrettably, I guess a lot of people that have my leverage ofawareness and audience, I think are gonna go for the quick 3, 4,$ 5 million orchestrate. And I think that’s gonna hurt them and it’s definitely gonna hurt their followers. And I caution beings to be astute as they continue to navigate specially these next 24 months. But these next 24 times in NFT are gonna be remarkable. – Yeah, a 100%. Hey, I truly appreciateyou making this time and I’m looking forward to your podcast. I hear you’re doing it with someone else in my parish next week.Now I don’t wanna give awaytoo much about that hitherto.’ begin I’m not sure if he’s even said, but I’m aroused to hear that as well. And I really appreciate youtaking the time to do this. I convey, of all thethings you could be doing with your time right now, why is it that, you are familiar with, this is what you’re doing. I’m curious. – I like people that are authentic to the thing that I’m agitated about. – Hmm! That’s awesome. – It could be a lot of illusion people who are gonna touched me a little bit. It’s already happened. There will be a lot of super famed super wealthy, super leveraged, super tactical beings. There’s all the naturalpeople that I’m friends with that are also in, andthose are real liaisons but there’s something important to me that if I go into someone’s home, I want it to elite and therules are make your shoes off.I wanna make them off. So that’s somewhere else the other day. And it kind of feels that way to me. I demand real relationships, real relationships. I want to be in this communityfor the rest of my life. And the only way I knowhow to do that is to be … Is to accompanied value. I know that in real world, that my image on your podcast for you gives you leverage to domore with your podcasts. And I wanted to go for you.- I appreciate that. – And the number one asset that I can, the number one asset I protect is time. – Hmm! – So to me, writing, being a $ 5,000 patron of your podcast is a hell of a good deal little meaningful oflike me knowing the truth than me allocating this time. – Right on yeah.- And so that’s- – I’d be okay with that more.( both laugh) – We can have that convo more. Anyway, my friend thank you for your time. I gotta operated. – Right on. Thank you very much.- Bye there. – Thank you so much.- Take care. – See you in the roundabouts. I hope to deplete realtime in person as well. – Awesome. – Take care- Cheers. Where do “were living”? – I live in Alberta, Canada. – Love it, desire it. I actually- – I adore New York though. I had tickets booked. I had hotel booked. I had tickets for Hamilton booked. I was all ready with my bride to come out there for a few weeks. – Gonna be going on lot of conferences. So I’m sure we’ll be synced.- Oh man, I was crushed.Bye, Okay.- Cheers. – Take care. – YouTube watcher, what’s up, it’s GaryVee. First of all, thank you so much. I hope you’re doing superwell during these hours. I likewise wanna ask you delight subscribe because my commitment and exploration of YouTube is about toexplode stories, referendums more contact, more engagement, more surprise and happy. This is the time to subscribe. I hope that members can consider it. And I hope I see you soon ..