– So here’s my rant. And I’ll see you in three years. I don’t care if you buy an NFT. I simply don’t care.( upbeat music) You got your perspective. I time wanna be happy.Don’t you wanna be happy?( trendy hop instrumentals) – Hey, this is the NonFunGerbils podcast NFP with your emcee DKleine. And today I have a veryspecial guest, GaryVee. Welcome to the show. – I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. – Okay, this is wild. I have to say to you. I’m pretty excited about this.I really appreciate youmaking season for this. – Thank you, thank you forsaying that, I’m flattered. I’m really excited to be on it frankly. – Yeah, I’ve noticed you’re making relatively the deep dive into the whole NFT art scene the last couple of daylights, I’ve seen you all over the place. I “ve seen you” on CryptoCampfire the other day. – Hmm! – Tell me about, you know it seems like when you’re doing something you just go full board at it.- I actually do. And I genuinely, you know, it’s funny people don’t know this about me because they assure all the energy. You know, what’s so funny, I think so much of the energy that I bring has to do with the fact that usually, it’s because I’ve been pent up for three to four months about something I’m aroused about, right? So for example, youknow, with sports cards which was something similar that I get very passionate about, you are familiar with I grew up passionate about it and then I get unusually, very passionate about it about three years ago, it was several, several months, maybe almost a year on that one that I was doing real homework before I had come out and said this, that, and the second thing. Now, I’ve been doing lightweight homework, you are familiar with since probably this summer, you are familiar with, on NFTs. The rationalization I bought Ethereum in 2016 after AaronBattalion, big shout out to Aaron Battalion formerCTO of Living Social, immense VC, great technologists, educated me on it at South by Southwest. Was mostly the understanding of the potential of what became NFTs. Like I was like, Oh, okay, this isn’t currency this is framer buildon time, you know like, scaffold and so, I contemplate I get so loud and agitated’ case I’ve been wanting to be resounding and elicited for months.I mostly do 60, 70% of my knowledge base before I say a word to the world. – Hmm! – For example, I’ve been doing that with BR quite a bit, I’m very deep into BR more than beings think’cause I never talk about. Even this mentioned isalready a great deal for me by my standards, becauseI don’t like to talk about things that I don’tknow anything about. Now, I don’t mind to be in this place where I’m like, hey, I have some real sentiments and understandings and thoughts and postulates, comma. There’s still a lot ofthings I need to know to really feel pleasant the method I do about social media orwine or sports cards.But I don’t feel like I’ll be perplexed. I feel like I understand my point of view on what the consumers aregonna do with that FT. I feel like I can speak, I can speak to ERC-2 0 and ERC-7 21 and I can speak to cryptopunks and larva labs. And I can speak to Pepe being a BTC a Bitcoin version of like I can, you know, I is aware that wrapping is now. Like, you are familiar with, like I can, I can I can hang fairly where I’m not wasting people’s time because what I’m great at according to my mother, but in all seriousness what I’m very comfortable withis purchaser behavior. I represent, what I can say today, for example, I can saythe following sentence to an public, you know, I’m picking very specific sits I wanna be on.Podcast I know have a lot of time. You know, DK. I do this show because of the people you comma, the people that I anticipatelistening to this show which is a very authentic OG, careful, shining, nature community. – It is. It’s an magnificent thing. – I know, I do a lot of homework, so I feel very comfortable I know who’s listening right now, which is people I revere is whatwould be the word I use. Comma, what I conclude I bring to the table in 1995 when I went to dotcom or email or Google AdWords or YouTube or social or everythingI’ve done in my life Madison Avenue’s startup land, I can bring things like, hey everybody, listen. And am precisely incredibly comfortable to employed this on the record, NFT over the next 12 to 18 months is gonna be very similar to ICO. – Yep. – 97% of these projects are gonna collapse in secondary value.It’s gonna confusepeople, say it was a fad, it was beanie children. Comma, the underliningtech, and customer behavior is gonna be one of themost significant things that happens in modern technology. – I’m with you. – Cool, so are happy to me that’s– I can associate. – Yeah, satisfy, satisfy. – Yeah.- Take it away. – I don’t wanna take up too much of your- – No, take it away. – Time in the podcastbut’ cause it’s your say I had the same experience when I learned about Bitcoin and Ethereum. I literally wasted a year learning about it before I did anything about it. And then I exactly couldn’tcontain myself anymore. And I began used to describe it. And that’s how I got towriting for “Coin Telegraph” was just through blogging about it and used to describe it every day until the point thatpeople noticed my writing. And that’s when last yearI had the opportunity to write about crypto art in particular and peculiarly aboutthe junk artistry movement.And that time flipped a switch for me because I was like holy crap, this is Marcel Duchamp. This is data. This is the beginning of– A 100% – It’s the start of modern skill, – 100%, 100%. – It’s a renaissance or a renaissance of that same process yetnow in a digital period. – And comma, those creators induced peanuts. – Yeah. – In the strategy of the economics that happened in the course of the coming 50 years. The happening that theJackson Pollock of today, whoever she or he may be, his family will becollecting checks in 31 times – Yeah. – On a royalty smooth on a transaction shapes my mettle smile, Darren in a way that you couldn’t imagine. – Yeah. It’s amazing, With that extremely, these same craftsmen, whereas before they were the artists, you know, in the amateurish clothes with the, you know, cheap paintall over their invests or whatever and thenthere was the collector and that was a different group altogether. You now have this mingle. Like I muster prowes, I never genuinely collectedher before in my life.And now I rally it regularly. – Do you transact on art, Darren? – I do, yes. I create art, I sell skill. I sell secondary, yeah. – Do you buy art and resell it at times you just decides to do? – Yes, yes. – This isn’t, the reason I question that is that’s probably gonnabe the most interesting thing in the super short term for me, which is what is the OG community gonna “ve been thinking about”, what I know is coming, which is an enormous amount of collector, flipper, broker at heart people who are gonna get much more enjoyment of buying a piece of art and reselling it than doing that with a stock.- Right.- Than doing that with a money. Like for example, I have the same feeling, like for example, the prowes I have behind me Alice Barrett former work I brace prowes from a friend perspective. – Hmm – Number one, number two – Personal networks is keyto networking, it’s key. – I’m just, I’m giving you like, I am a baseball poster comic book, collectible plaything flipper at heart. I cherish it. I adoration buying, you are familiar with a off-color snaggle tooth that came from the Cedars Cantina designated’ crusade that’s the raresnaggletooth versus the ruby-red clothing and buying that at agarage sale for four horses and selling it on eBay for 200 bucks or buying it for a hundred horses and selling it for 200 horses last-minute’ campaign I thought it was a downtime for “Star Wars” or, I enjoy that.I don’t like stock exchange. I don’t enjoy buying astock and then reselling it. No gratification. I cherish flea market, garagesales, sports cards culture. – Well, let me, let me encourage you then to be considered in where that really happens because of course you cango to the Nifty Gateway, you can go, I do havework on known parentage, for example, nonetheless I didn’t start on KnownOrigin of course, right. I started on Rarible. – I know Rarible very well. – I started on OpenSea, right? And that’s where you can get that garage sale type of- – A 100%, am on those platforms- – When you find that gem, right? – I, SuperRare, OpenSea, Rarible, like Bitski, I’m watching everything. I’m watching everything, and right now( sorrows) I’m just terribly fascinated because I think there’s a huge amount of humans on earth that share my DNA that nobody talks about, which is the following. That trading constituent is much more fun in NFTs than it is in realestate or wall st.. Number two, and this is where it gets really interesting for me.This is a real thing thatI’ve been doing my whole life. – You got to tokenize those. – Are you kidding me? It’s like the thing thatkeeps me up at night. I’m like, oh my God. In grammar school, kindergarten, first score third grade, sixth grade, a lot of teenagers knew me as a doodler as last-minute beings judged I was gonna be- – I was the same way, I was the same way. – That I was gonna be an artist, which never get talkedabout in my narrative , not something I share. And you have to watchmy blogs very carefully and you’ll see that I’m doodling a lot in meets, right? So, when this all affected my radar, you know, that was something thatreally got me emotional. I’m like, oh my God, is this gonna be like, wow, God literally, this is something I said, God, thank you, it’sliterally something I told us to myself, six months ago, God, are you kidding me? Have you made a technology that makes everything that I am, how to build a community, you know, understanding storytelling, the doodling component, the garage sale flipping, the wastepaper basket kid, like it, this is crazy.This is like my life’s work. So I’ve been very cautious and reflective of my entry into this worldbecause I don’t wanna, I know I have a big platform now. I’m not who I was the firstcouple of durations, you are familiar with, – Hmm, Hmm. – I clearly, I emphatically am worried to drive the market. – Right. – I’m incredibly scared of that, Darren.I’m scared to talk about- – You’re scared of creating a bubble, is that what you mean? – You know, it’s funny. I’m actually not because I make I’m only gonna buy and talk about things that I’ve decided are 30 -year projects. – Okay. – So I’m actually not scaredcause I conclude I’m good. It’s what happened in sports cards. In the sports cards nature, I’ve been uncomfortably right.- Hmm – And it’s because I’mreally damned good at this. And so I’m talking about NFT as a category. I’m not really talking about jobs because I only have more homework to do. I’ve you are familiar with, I’ve alluded to so I’ll get it on now as well. I have decided that CryptoPunksis a 30 -year project. – Hmm. – And there’s been a million essays and this audience doesn’tneed me was why. So I won’t spend time on that. But no, I’m worried about being perceived as gushing and dropping as generating. And so it’s, I gotta really be reflective of how I’m gonna navigate but I’m not actuallyscared about the bubble.I am probably scaredabout the macro bubble. Like when the inevitable shit stumbles the love with all these projects, I do envisage everythinggets dragged down with it. So I am scared to tell friends to invest in things or– Right. – Because even though Ithink Punks is a steal do I think if in nine months or 13 months or 16 months there’s that crater minute’ cause there’s just too much supply and there’s not sustainability of the secondary demand, could it go down with it? I do.Do I think that’s probably one I’ll start most by the rise in? To me, it’s April 2000, Darren. – Yeah! Yeah! – April 2000 is when the stock market crumbled, internet capitals and everybody bailed on the internet itself. And that’s when I tripleddown on the internet and said , no , no , no, the stocks might’ve been overvalued but the whole genre’s going nowhere. – Yeah. – And that was when Ibought my Amazon stock for the first time cause it was like- – Right, of course. – And so like that’swhat I’ll do with NFTs.When and if, when and if because precisely’ lawsuit I think it might, it may not. But if it does have that minute that’s probably whatI’ll go shopping “the worlds largest” on the things that I’vedeemed most meaningful. But there’s so much I represent, different blockchains and you know, right. You know, Ethereum, Flow, There’s so much going on there. Different, there’ll be many more. There’s Ethereum scale, wrapping things, burning things like, you know, there’s a lot to think through. This is early, early, early days. – Yeah, absolutely. What are your thoughts on junk art? Have you looked at that, looked at that at all? – Not deeply more. I’m still in the period where, because I decided punks was real that I spend an ungodly amount of period informing myself there.- Yup. – And I’m continuouslyspending most of my era doing nonsense like this, whether in private or public I want to become friends with parties in the community, Iwanna offer my price to them. I wanna meeting with members and I’m still learning. So I haven’t exited, you are familiar with, I’ve done awfully skin-deep stage nonsense with like HashMasks withCryptokitties I’ve looked at a little bit for my own education.’ Cause that was obviously like countless, the first thing I’ve looked at, Top shot carefully, I’ve looked at a lot of the wax trash’ motive I like Street Fighter and Garbage Pail Kids. I’ve look back, you know, I’vedone my homework on beings. So I’ve done a little on the individual artist front, artifacts. Some you know, the Bitskiprojects. I’ve looked at stuff, I’ve done my random, like three hour deep dives into OpenSea and Nifty exactly to poke around.And( hesitates) But I haven’t yet on garbage prowes but I’m roused to, and I will. – Probably one of the most wonderful situates to look for that is theartist that I interviewed for that article that I wroteabout called “Immutable Trash”. – You can send me that relate after this. – I will. – I’ll read it over the weekend. – Yeah, for sure. His name is Robness. He’s probably the best-known trash artists along with Max Osiris. And of course following that, there’s a huge movement of more creators that join in with that. And I actually sent you the link to it in your Twitter, if you want to peek at it but it’s a bit of a read to do during a discussion apparently – Yeah, I’m not gonna do that, yeah I wanna focus on this.- It wouldn’t be practical – But those two stand out. Another enormous home to go if you wanna find out more about justthat entire push in a community building is the art gallery auction house on telegram, Daniel Penn. I envision Crypto Campfirementioned them more, actually.- Okay. – That was actually where I meet a dwelling when I began this as an creator because I’m coming from a different world. I’m a coach. I school full-time, I began writing’ induce I simply adore writing. – Hmm. – And from that I exactly, when I meet the crypto artworks I was just like, feltlike what you were saying where it’s like all these different things I desire just came together into this one. – I even felt- – I can’t stop thinking about like, I’m obsessed with it. – Listen, I’m obsessed with e-sports. I’m haunted with the cannabis industry. I grown up in the wine business. I don’t smoke, but I’m fascinated.I’m haunted with numerous micro things. Things have happened, somany things have happened, but I have not felt anything like this since 2005 when I was like, oh, the Internet’s about to make a big change. This social media thing, this is a real thing. This isn’t a- – This is like third-wave now. – Yeah, this, yeah. that’s right. I feel like for me it’s 95 oh five. I’m kind of mad that it’s not 2015′ cause then they’d bea nice round counts.( Darren laughing) But it’s oh five-nine, you are familiar with, it’s 95 oh five- – It’s probably someFibonacci thing or something. – Yeah, probably( Darren laughing ). But, goddamn it’s exciting. And like the, and thefact that I get to bleed in my collecting flipping like, like pop culture, IP, retro. Oh fuck, it’s just so exciting. – Yeah, it goes beyond that, right? Like I entail, people getexcited about the money right.And of course the money’s great, like the facts of the case that a person like, like I was- – To me, it’s not the money. It’s the being right. – I cherish being right.( tittering) – I cherish being right. Like , no, but truly it’s like, I’m only, I don’t wanna are quite right so I can tell people I’m right. It’s like a strange game with myself.- It’s a game, I’m winning the game when I do that. – Am I right? Is this kid- – Yeah, it’s true. And I affection when people are like, nah, ah and then, you know, twoyears later it’s like, ah. – That’s everything to me .( Darren laughs) You know, you may know this’ start you have a lot of context for me. It’s why I love documenting. I desire, you know, when someone’s like, oh, Gary, you’re a fly-by-night and I can be demonstrated him my point of view on virtual goods in 2010. I don’t know if you realise that clip. – I don’t know if it will all fly-by-night at thispoint anymore( tittering ). – Yeah, but you know what , not fly-by-night, you know what, people are like, oh, you’rejust jump-start on this. – Right.- You know, – Bandwagon or something.- You don’t care about NFTs. Yeah, and I’m like, lookat this video in 2010 when I’m talking about virtual money and virtual goods likethis has been on my knowledge in some chassis or organize fora particularly, very long time.It merely prime time now. – It’s a pinnacle of a number of different elements- A pinnacle. grouped together, you know.- Yes. – Coalescing. Absolutely. You know, and but withthat, what I was saying was the money’s great like it’s amazing. I was talking to someonejust the other day who I forget which country he lives in. It was a developing country. And he says to me, this art that I sold I’m paying my children’ academy rewards with it. Like this is like life-changing, – Game changer. – For a lot of parties. – I know somebody whosold a Hashmask in India to a big collector that is like more fund than his parents have originated in five years. – Yeah, next rank, yeah. You know, the opportunities are huge but beyond that very, it’s this community and that’s maybe a littleharder to see with, you know the Hashmasksand the CryptoPunks.But when you get down into the dirt of it, as I have as an creator starting by like, like some other, just soldmy first piece the other day and it was terrible. It was, I simply made a Bitcoin logo and I applied it into an app announced Photomosh and it defrosted it and madeit look like a fried egg. And I announced it “Fried Bitcoin”, right? And a guy was like, hey, is that your first fragment? I want that, right. It’s a great feeling, right. – It’s an intense feeling. For me, what’s been interesting about this is thinking through the metadata. – Hmm. – So I, my campaign is gonnabe very very interesting.- Okay. – And I don’t wanna give too much apart but I wanna give you a little something for our history we’lllook back at one day. – Very interesting. – All my time– And, I’m assuming, I’m assuming in yourcase you’ve got people facilitating this process. – When you say facilitating, – What I convey is gettingeverything set up, going everything tokenized, coming a, you know, if you’re going beyond that, if you’re doing something with smart-alecky contract technology and material like that.- Yes, I’m talking to beings and trying to figure out where I wanna do this and how I wanna do this. When, but what’s fascinatingis the reason I asked you when “youre telling”, you know, promoting, I am gonna reap all 5,555. – Right, that’s a good point to acquire. – It’s not like some of these people- – Yeah precisely! – Who have climbed inwith hiring some creators and then they say– Correct. I am going to, I am gonna originate the narratives, the dynamics and the concepts. The pipes, and doing itright, and getting it minted and going it, smartcontract properly, yes.I’m speaking to all the, a lot of parties in their local communities and trying to figure out what the right things are. So anyway– Now you said 5500 images, is that what you said? – Yeah. I’m already hand too much. So we’ll talk about other( Darren titters) Edit that out.( both roars) – Seriously dude, should I? – No , no, it’s okay, you can keep it, but I want you to have the scoop. But like build-up, don’tplay it up too much. Hopefully, it’ll really bestarting getting along- – It’ll be in the tweet, – Yeah.- 5500( laughing) – But you know, it’s, I’m really excited.I’m stimulated, I’m provoked. I feel like I know when I find my house. I know when I’m, the sportscar community, my house the wine community, my home, the managerial society, a dwelling. This is gonna be a home and and a home that is gonnashow a different surface of me up from a ingenuity standpoint that has always been there. I’ve spoken so much about the productivity of being an actual inventor but, this one’s really gonna be obvious and I’m gonna enjoy it. And it’s gonna open up a whole new avenue to my life which I can only feel improbably agitated about. – Yeah, it’s just an opportunity to be express in a different way, right. – I too hope I cause people. You know, I consider I’vegot a lot of attentions on me. I have a communication style that lamps for certain sums of people.And I feel like somebody’s going to say, wait a minute, am I an creator very? And is gonna fulfill theirdestiny of being an artist. I think what NFT, what social media did was allowed beings to be personalities and professionals that wouldhave never been that. Influencer marketing, influencers have been art is now a accumulation of persons who are destined to be advocates, but are now known for yoga. Controllers that arenow known for StarTrack. And I visualize NFTinfrastructure is gonna grant somebody who’s destined to be a carpenter actually now to be an artist. Someone who’s destined to be a plays worker now to be an artist. Somebody that was destined to be a stay-at-home dad now to be a artist. Somebody that was destinedto be a police officer to now be a meaningful artist.The fact that prowes will now be practical to an entire generation of parents, and encouraged instead of inhibited is going to be a verygood thing for society. And I’m evoked to see the birth of it. – Yeah, it’s fascinating. You know, it shapes me “ve been thinking about”, I was actually just talkingto someone about this today. The doctrine that, you knowwe’re talking right now about art NFTs, but in my knowledge, I’m foresee pretty muchanything that is property. At some spot you could theoretically say, could that be tokenized? – Well, that’s a foregoneconclusion to your point.I review my fervour rightnow be standing productivity. But for example, every record by any columnist that’s got any liquid isgonna be launched as an NFT. Like I’ve got to rethinkmy entire thought process of signing another journal consider. – Hmm. – Why would I do that? I can launch it as an NFT, see incredible dynamics deliver actual bible onthe back of the NFT, create incrediblesecondary market dynamics. I signify the world countries, Darren, this is a big fucking deal. – It is. – I’m gonna sell my- – I’ve been trying to tellpeople this for two years.( mocks) – Well, you’ve been right, good news. You know how you like being right? Good news, there “theres going” .( Darren laughing) This is gonna change everything. Absolutely everything. I think what’s gonna be, what I would encourage everybody now who’s listening to fall into somethingI said the other night and I’m utilize it, I like it. Don’t try to convince, have conviction.And it’s very different. You know, reassuring parties is fun but wearying and not required when you’re this right. – Hmm.- So like people are like, Gary reassured me about it and this literally actuallyironically happened today. Somebody said, convinceme about the room. I’m like, I’m not going to, here’s the here’s how I’m gonna persuasion you. This NFT thing is gonnabe one of the biggest technology shifts in their own lives. I’ll see you in three years. I’m not gonna sit hereand try to explain to you that you don’t understandsocial money, human behavior. Why people wear logos on their invests. What is happening to a digitized macrocosm. Why parties will be curious like rubbernecking and realityTV and social media to know what parties have purchased and ledgered that theProvenance significances improbably and always has in our society, that eliminating themiddle that returns very little value is a good idea.And the Internet’s been doing it. Technology’s been doing that for, for its integrity as a period. Like I’m not, I’m notgonna do that for you. I don’t need to do that for you. It’s just gonna play out. Why did primaries and Indians and cavemen coat their faces withcolors and have barks that were like, this has been going on. This is a foregone conclusion. So here’s my rant. And I’ll see you in three years. I don’t care if you buy an NFT. I exactly don’t care. – Yeah. I signify, speaking of Provenance I guess really interesting element of that a lot of beings don’trecognize is, you are familiar with, say if you look at thisTopshot thing, right, and you think about, okay well who’s pass has this particular card been in? – So cool.- And you can looked at and lead, whoa, this was actually in LeBron James wallet, for example. – Really troubles. People don’t understand. That’s gonna be really cool. When you satisfy somebody in 13 times at an event, instead of going to Google or Instagram, like many do now, I recollect beings will go to public pocketbooks and look at what they’ve done. And I’ll be like, oh, Darren, you were fucking on this blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, peoplelove to have street credit. And is just like, I knew about Pentera first. – Like Vanilla ice? – Yeah, accurately.( Darren laughing) Where like, I was early. like for me, I was early on Notorious BIG, but do I truly have proof, I don’t, but I could. – Sure.- I could. – You could.- You know, like, we’re, you know, when someone’s like, Iwas early on Nirvana. Were you? Like now you have, but now in 35 times, somebody who’s early on something is likely gonna have some proof to it because that entity, theband, the influencer, the person, the thing is gonna have an NFT infrastructure that’s gonna prove.Could, do you understand the level of clout Darren, that somebody could have as being the first personto buy the first item that Pearl Jam put out in 1991? – If you could prove it, yeah. – Well guess what? That’s the world we’re about to go into. – That’s right, irrefutably. – Irrefutably. So I thinkProvenance is gonna be a currency that matters in an stupid practice. I envision people are naive. I told beings that online dating would be the standard in 2000, they laughed at me. I said here today people would buy wine on the internet in 1995, they laughed at me. I told people that they would devote all their time on Facebook, they laughed at me.Playing mobile competitions, they giggled at me. Like, all I do is getlaughed at( Darren mocks ). And that’s when I know I’m onto something. And this one is one that’smaking a lot of people laugh. They’re like, I’ll just take a screenshot. What’s the difference? I’m like everything. – Well, I was talking fine art with Sasha Bailey, he’s the founder of My BAE.- Hmm. – And he spoke of how “hes having” knew withtraditional fine arts. For pattern, if you were to say, look at an Andy Warhol and it was the real one, Eddie Warhol and then you had a fakesitting next to it. They are indistinguishable. You can not tell thedifference between them, you are familiar with and that’s a problem. So what do they do? They go by Providence. They proceed, okay, who’s entrusts were, “whos had” this section, you know where is the history of this segment. And again, that’s where the blockchain is vastly superior as a mixture. – It’s not even close. – Right? Not only that, “wheres” those Andy Warhol’s, they’re in a vault.No one’s even looking at the things. – Correct. – I go to the New York MET. I don’t know if you realise that, but I posted about it. I go to the MET and Igo look at a make-up and I’m like, is thiseven the real painting, or did they are only set a replica here’ cause they don’t want the real one to get injury ?. – Correct. And meanwhile, individual conversions their profile situation to a CryptoPunk, and you can go check if they’re the actual owner of it. You could. – You can. – You could. And then you get into themonetization of the IP. Like you look at someof the entity standards where you’re allowed to monetize something you buy up to a hundred thousand not like, there’s so much neat trash. It’s just gonna be neat. That’s like the word like I’ve been using the word neat. Like, I don’t know if it delivers me back to when I was four- – It’s a child, it’snostalgic thing right, it’s neat.- It’s neat, it’s fucking nifty. – Well, that’s why makingthe artistry for myself as well. A much of the skill I makeliterally starts me laugh as I’m making it, you know like there’s a exhilaration in it. And I’m hoping you havethe same experience with your doodling,( indistinct) – I make, gotta be kidding me? – There’s a elation in it, right? – I want, look atPatient Pig, how can you-( Darren laughing) – That’s right. – You know, like, Icouldn’t be more excited to be a part of this. I am really happy that I’ve been able to bring a lot of awareness. I’ve had a lot of beautiful DMS and things like, you know, I have a big platform and I’m able to bring awareness to beings, the Flamingo project, or, you know Felicia sort of, you are familiar with, whatever it might be like it’s just really fun.- Hmm. Let’s talk impediments though. Let’s talk problems. – Please. – You know what, youknow, Ethereum plainly, you know, if you’re minting on Ethereum like it’s got some technological problems. – Clearly. – You know, it’s too much success. – Yep, gas is expensive. – Gas is terrible, you are familiar with. We had various kinds of a mini crypto wintertime in the artistry panorama where I don’t know, you talked about that you’ve been following it for months.And it was just on firein October, November, come December Ethereumprices kind of skyrocketed and all of a sudden beings couldn’t make or they could create, but they couldn’t mint. They couldn’t tokenize unlessthey were upper echelon. You know, where do you be understood that moving? – Too early for me to make a call that I would wanna looked at on and say, okay, you were smart or you were an idiot. I time don’t know. That’s the honest truth. I know human dynamics. So what do I make by that? I know that there’s an incredible amount of beings that arebuilding on top of Ethereum that the network is so vast that the stakes are so collectively high that parties that are dramatically more technically skilled than I are tackling it at relentless levels.Now I do think that people are naive a little with L-two and all that. Like, I think there is some naivete cause when you want it to happen, you know I’m thinking a lot about the burning and wrapping of clues, you are familiar with, like, listen I would neverhave buy CryptoPunks if I didn’t know what wrapping was. – Right. – Because I would have been too scared. Like, you are familiar with, I, you know they’re very different engineerings but there was a day where Yahoowas the only search engine.- Sure. – And then Google came along. And I sit here and say, well, there could be adifferent blockchain, like – Ask Jeeves. – Correct, I mean, looking how immense Flow is. Roham you know learned a lot, -( coughs) Excuse me. – Being up on Kitty-cat andthe scalable the questions and, you know, Flow, andthere’s tons, there’s tons of invention going on on this. So, Ethereum scaling matters scare me less than they did 6 months ago. – Hmm. – Because I getting enough notion that if it doesn’t, it doesn’t mean all the resources go to zero. – Right. – And I’m a person that doesn’t have the skillset nor to be honest, the interest on how the concrete and steel is constructed. I like designing the apartment. – Hmm. – Got it? So I try to stay instructed enough that I can speak to the way I’m speaking to you where I’m perilous, right. I can be a little dangerous but I’m not the person that’s gonna are talking here about the technological underpinnings at the level that so many others can. What I waste my passionand hour and skillset on, is the human dynamicson top of those things.Now I don’t want to getcaught with my gasps down which is why I try tostay knowledgeable-ish, but to speak aboutscalability of Ethereum, that is above my settle score.( Darren chuckles) – I kind of predict in my opinion, that we’ll get to a target where there’s a rank of interoperability, that you know, perhaps these tokens are moving from one chain to another.( clears throat) I represent, there is obviouslya technological challenge now. – I think that that is something that is in thebest interest of everyone, thus induces me think likely. – Well, on the flip side you could say, well, maybe it’s morelike the Beta max VHS situation where VHS predominated because it simply was the onethat was more widely used. And you are familiar with, you were able to makethat justification for Ethereum. – I think you could, but the race of technologyadvancements are so different today compared to what it would have taken for a third, you know, cool. But that was a one-on-one battle. If the fast and costs associated with innovating back then in that game, might’ve led to something called PS-nine, which ought to have been destroyed VHS.- Sure. – And I think that’s how I look at a Flow had the indulgence ofknowing what Ethereum was. – Right. Yup, what do you thinkof the whole, you know kind of there’s these, you know kind of curated vistums for galleries and then there’s the ones thatare various kinds of the wide open. Like where do you findyourself drawn to the most? – Neither and both. – Hmm. – To me both will succeed of whomever earns. Right, so you will havemeaningful musicians in both. – Okay. – And then I think you’ll have accentuating technologywhere people like myself and others can do it on their own domain and precisely have the underpinnings of the capabilities within it. – Hmm! Let’s introducing it to your background a little here.What do you think it is about this, you are familiar with, you talkedabout it a little previously, but you know you’ve talkedabout your childhood. What is it about your childhood like that really clickswith it, you think? – That’s a great question. You know, my mother’s side of the family has a very heavy leaningtowards storytelling. They’re just like funny Russian uncles who get drunk and story-tell, and I’m like, okay that’s something,( sighs) being an immigrant and learning how to speak English by watching “Scooby-Doo”, “Batman”, the “Adam West”stuff and “The Hulk”, the movie faculty, you are familiar with, the Tv staff Tv indicate, “Dukes of Hazzard”, like a lot of seventies and eighties IP coached mehow to speak the language.And I remember cementedmy Americana, you are familiar with. Being a broker trainer, you are familiar with I think this is just the modern stones and rubies and you know, like golden. I would’ve probably been a great character in the gold rush, you are familiar with? And so DNA and event of like I do suppose theimmigrant can’t speak English. These are the thingsthat educated me English and they’re all IP, probablyhas something to do with it. I can’t really unwrap it, sweet pickles- – But there’s a comfort youfind in that in a certain sense. – Yeah, for sure. And then I maintained it. Like I affection garage selling my entirety life and buying toys and bibles and cups and T-shirts up IP happy days, more Mork and Mindy.Like I exactly always inclined to nostalgia Americana IP, that shit. – Yeah, yeah. Very interesting. Different question entirely. Entirely kind of a– Please. – Bit of a alteration now, you know I envisage a lot about how this will change the highway economies work on a kind of a macro flake, you know. Any expectations on that inregards to, you are familiar with. – Big time. – You know, it’s kind of changing the style we, we transact. – I conceive I will become a central bank.- Hmm! – I foresee humen will have economies built around them because ofaccess and metadata. – Hmm! How does that workin our current system without there being a huge conflict? Or is that inevitable? – I imply, if you’re going super macro with me around like cryptocurrency and NFTs versus, youknow, sovereign societies. – Which is like say, Fiat money versus- – Oh, I think it’s a, Ithink it’s a big, big cheese. – Yeah. – I think that there’sinevitable regulation that is overbearing and it vary how bigthe movement is at the time to see what the counter-reaction is.I mean, I belief the stakes are high. If you believe that Bitcoin acquires, then you believe in the massive need of leveraging of monarch people. – Hmm. Or that they just rush in and they try to have their own little hash war going on and try to- – They’re going to do that. – Get as much as they can, right. If they are– They’re going to do that. – I represent, Germany I feel likeis my prediction to go first. Like I recall oh they’re gonna. They’re gonna have to– Why German in particular? – By the action, when I say terminated intuitive wild guess of like, I ever “ve been thinking about” who’s incentivized, but big enough. – Hmm. See,’ stimulate I would lean towards say something like say Iran or something like that. – They previously kind ofhave their own control if you think about it, if you think of Germany as a leading player in Europe where Europe is now kindof like a third actor in the world behind the US and China, it’s almost like they’re incentivized to do a move to almost like re-energize, you know, motive don’t forget, that’s the part of theworld that was number one.And I always think there’ssome underlining pressure “if youre using” your recognise, I foresee America losing to China in that global leader over the next hundred years will be like an interesting underlining resentment the acces that London andGermany look at the US. And so I dunno, I’ve always had this weird feeling in my owngame of chess in my front that if there was aplace that would do this firstly and most meaningful, but that was big enoughto actually matter.So that’s always been my sizzling patrons. – Are they competent enough to fight it? – I don’t know. I genuinely don’t. – I often wonder. – I mean- I just know, – I just see a trafficlight plan take, you now about two months to get installedin my place I don’t know if they can fight this. – Yeah, well that( Darren laughing) that is a really good point. In reality , no. In extend a constitution that determines things illegal that would do our honcho slant, yes. – Hmm. Well, and that can cause harm. I don’t know if it stops. I don’t think it can be stopped. – Yeah. I think you’re probably right. I think it’s like booze. You can do prohibition but be prepared for the forks -( laughter) And be prepared for people to still be depleting alcohol. – Correct.( Darren laughing) – Yeah, all right. Talk about your hopes.I mean, you didn’t, couldn’t give a lot of detail there about your projections, but you know, what do you appreciate? What are you hoping happening here over the next year herewith your experience in the NFT world, with your experience in NFT art, what are youhoping to see happen? – By far, my reaction to that question is the 13 to 27 relationshipsI make in this next year.That reflect, the ones I constituted in 2006 like the Kevin roses and the MSGs and the Travis and theSockers and Dave Morin’s and you know, merely these real alliances. Mike, you know Lazarus and Belsky like these real, real, real ties. I anticipate I’m gonna obligate some of my best friends in mylife over the next year. – That’s awesome. I know for myself, you know, precisely assembling local communities I’ve made some awesome friends that, you know we connect on a daily basis, you know.- This is going to be a year that I meet some best friends. – That’s awesome. Anything, any last wordsyou wanna wrap up with? I know you’re kinda tighten on time. I’m guessing you are a pretty busy guy, so – Yes, I certainly appreciate that. I is absolutely, that I’m grateful that I’m accessible. That I’m intellectually generous. I was so knack withthe ability to get mine that I always, that I’ma person that believed in like abundance.So if there’s anything Ican be a help to anybody. I think everyone can win. And to be thoughtfulon the investing slope. I do contemplate people need to be very careful. There’s gonna be a trillion projects and there’s only so much demand. And right now a lot of the demand is from beings that arefinancially incentivized. They don’t really care about it. They’re gonna buy this thing’ cause they think in a weekit’s gonna be this much. And that’s okay. I don’t is of the view that. I’m an industrialist, I’ma capitalist, you know in the good sense of the world meaning I want it to be fair. That’s why I cherish a great deal about this. I think it’s unadulterated capitalism. Like there’s, it actually, a game of who is goodnot let’s rig the game. And so- – It’s a meritocracy, yeah. – It’s a meritocracy, that’s such a good point. I just would tell peoplelike be musing because where reference is pops, when it slams or it goes down, you know, it’ll hurt, it’ll be fast.It’ll be hard to liquidate. There’s not enough underlining demand to carry what’s going on. And so you have speculation at scale. Buy what you like or genuinely do homework on things you genuinely believe are gonna work. For speciman, every great IP, Darren that’s about to come out, whether it’s “Star Wars”, or “Star Trek”, or “Alf”, or “Smurfs” or whatever, right. I’m gonna glance very carefullyon how they built it. You know, because I can’t just say, oh the Pokemon thing is gonnacrush’ cause it’s Pokemon. If it’s sloppy and not intelligent, the dynamics won’t play out to make it a good quote-unquote investment. – Yeah, yeah. Well then you just have a repeat of the ICO thing we viewed. – This is gonna be a massive ICO moment, just so you know, this will be that the shit-coin like actuality is there’s gonna be an ungodly extent of NFTs that sell for a lot inthe first three months and go to very small places.So pay very close attentionto who’s behind it. For illustration, for me what I’m gonna do is gonna be with me to the die I die, which gives me tremendous confidence in the economics around that ecosystem back to economies around people. Regrettably, I suppose a lot of people that have my leveraging ofawareness and audience, I think are gonna go for the quick 3, 4,$ 5 million score. And I think that’s gonna hurt them and it’s definitely gonna hurt their fans.And I carefulnes parties to be reflective as they continue to navigate especially these next 24 months. But these next 24 times in NFT are gonna be remarkable. – Yeah, a 100%. Hey, I genuinely appreciateyou taking this time and I’m looking forward to your podcast. I hear you’re doing it with someone else in my community next week. Now I don’t wanna give awaytoo much about that yet.’ generate I’m not sure if he’s even said, but I’m stimulated to hear that as well. And I certainly appreciate youtaking the time to do this. I necessitate, of all thethings you could be doing with your time right now, why is it that, you are familiar with, this is what you’re doing. I’m curious.- I like people that are authentic to the thing that I’m energized about. – Hmm! That’s awesome. – It could be a lot of fanciful people who are gonna thumped me a little. It’s already happened. There will be a lot of super far-famed super rich, super leveraged, super strategic people. There’s all the naturalpeople that I’m friends with that are also in, andthose are real relationships but there’s something important to me that if I go into someone’s home, I want it to elite and therules are make your shoes off. I wanna make them off. So that’s somewhere else the other day. And it kind of feels that way to me. I require real ties, real affairs. I want to be in this communityfor the rest of my life.And the only way I knowhow to do that is to be … Is to impart value. I know that in real life, that my impression on your podcast for you gives you leverage to domore with your podcasts. And I wanted to go for you. – I be understood that. – And the number one asset that I can, the number one asset I protect is time. – Hmm! – So to me, writing, has become a $ 5,000 patronize of your podcast is a hell of a lot less meaningful oflike me knowing the truth than me apportioning this time. – Right on yeah.- And so that’s- – I’d be okay with that extremely.( both laugh) – We can have that convo too. Anyway, my friend thank you for your time. I gotta rolled. – Right on. Thank you very much.- Bye there. – Thank you so much.- Take care. – See you in the circles.I hope to spend realtime in person as well. – Awesome. – Take care- Cheers. Where do “were living”? – I live in Alberta, Canada. – Love it, enjoy it. I actually- – I adore New York though. I had tickets booked. I had inn booked. I had tickets for Hamilton booked. I was all ready with my partner to come out there for a few weeks. – Gonna be going on lot of conferences. So I’m sure we’ll be synced.- Oh man, I was crushed. 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