i like that you said axe infinity because ithink that’s the one that everyone they hear play to earn game that’s the one everybody thinksof actually infinity has had great success with support income could you liken poker to axioinfinity as a play to earn game what are the play to earn dynamics in your competition specifically versushow people understand axiomfinity i think we metaverse nfts play to earn recreations arehot right now we’ve heard of axiomfinity we’ve heard of facebook transitioning intothe metaverse by changing their epithet to meta today we are joined by the managing director ofpoker doc game one of the hottest play to earn metaverse competitions around connor thacker howare you doing today i’m bad nice to be here oh yeah and thank you for hosting me yesof course affection it how are you feeling about cryptocurrency in general these daysuh well it’s been quite a exciting year exciting couple of weeks and especially for usat poker and just as a gaming sport itself and uh our clue pkr uh merely to i don’t know if you’vebeen watching it or not but um yeah we’ve uh it’s been performing uh motions get a lot of attentionuh so i think we’re pretty fortunate quite content uh and it’s nice to see the wholecrypto uh ecosystem grow at the moment yeah yeah i bet you guys front work the you knowmetaverse interest in general you know people are just now going into metaverse sports and youguys were building a metaverse competition pretty cool yeah let’s get right into it for the kinfolks athome who’ve never heard of poker or poker speck game what is poker fleck activity so poker polka dot gamewhat we are is uh we’re completely free to play toy to learn a game in ft play uh so the gameitself is based on the traditional play of poker we are therefore constructed an absurd engine so we got the samegraphics as sort of fortnite uh street fighter v so it’s it’s amply immersive it’s uh it’s uh youknow it’s not the same as logging in on some of the kind of other metaverse arrangements at the momentwhich are quite basic graphics uh so it is really intense when you’re in them it’s uh it’s thesame tournament as focus so it’s the traditional activity but we’ve taken away the gamble aspectcompletely so the microchips have no value they cannot be bought or sold you’re literally playingto earn the nfts so you know if you triumph a hand you have a chance of earning the nfts um on the freeto play model anyone can play you can download the game has no cost if you want to enter the play toearn model then you can buy in with the pkr proportions so we have our native token pkr um you canbuy a low-grade pass it’s gonna cost something like about five dollars importance of pkr and you can startearning nfts with this um and we’re going to have different levels so if you want an nobility levelyou’re going to have a chance to earn some of the bigger nfts while you’re playing um and theselfts have be utilized in plays if you’re nursing them in your wallet you’re going to be able to changethe dealer on the table the graphics of the game and presentation that to everyone elsewho’s playing at the table as well um so it’s kind of a we are the first what iknow sort of game that’s aimed to take poker a non-gambling version of it um firstly so we’refamily friendly um and to introduce the nft sort of play to earn and free to play as well likewe’re taking away that hurdle to enter you know you’re not going to have to pay 600 dollars likeon some of the other activities like axi just to start um there’s no expense truly so it’s um we’re justtrying to see something that’s not there yet um and to make it alluring to all differentpeople whether you’re a gamer whether you’re a crypto whether you’re into nfts uh whetheryou’re into poker um so it’s sort of a an all-around project this one i like that yousaid actie infinity because i think that’s the one that everyone they discover play to earn game that’sthe one everybody fantasizes of actually infinity has had great success with following revenue could youcompare poker to axiomfinity as a play to earn game what are the play to earn dynamics in yourgame specific versus how people understand axe infinity i think we i imply in the literallythe the only affinities that everyone is frisked to work really um actually infinity’s pose wouldhave been i think it’s great the road they’ve done it i intend cryptokitties did the same backin 2017 they had a very similar model there um the only gap i think you find with us isthat we don’t have the barrier to entryway um and we’re we’re we’re okay axe infinity is it’s acool play i love it but uh it’s very different we are you know a standalone game you knowwe’re running on unreal locomotive so when you’re in the game it’s uh it’s like you’re playingyou know okay you were really dallying a game uh it’s uh the graphics it’s completely sort ofuncomparable stands the play to earn model i think i don’t know on axa infinity i like the path itworked at first but then the barrier to enter with the cost on ethereum sort of has changedthat which i think it’s great for those who got in early um and i love that they do have thisscholarship arrangement and everything to get parties in um but because we’re holding our clue to buy inthe past we do have an ethereum token but we have connected it to buy it on smart series and we aregoing to bridge now to polygon as well to reduce rewards even more um time to allow anyone to play youknow so it doesn’t matter whether you have money or you don’t have money you can join the gameand you have a chance to perform something from him talk to me a little bit more about the metaverseaspect because i totally understand online texas holdem but what’s the metaverse yes so this is aso i literally was just playing the game before i assembled you the better release is coming out onthursday so it’s uh it’s great getting in there and actually checking it all directing now um onceyou’re in the game you have you have the way to communicate with each other you know you can pickwhich counter you’re going to go and sit down on uh you can talk to the people to the left orthe right of you you are eligible to have gossips uh you can interact and you can it’s andit’s growing all the time this is the idea so at the moment the on the better it’s goingto be fairly basic uh we’re not going to have a huge amount we’re going to have the peddlers we’regoing to be able to pick your table move around interact um and as we sort of scale makesure that we can have at the moment we had we didn’t expect quite so much attention uhbut we have 2 000 beings sorry 20 000 beings now subscribe to join the beta um so we’re justgoing to make sure we can scale to that level and formerly we’ve got that many parties inwe’ll start computing more facets that we we have them ready uh to see how it goes soi’m hoping by december uh you’ll be able to you’ll be in your own sort of poker world justsort of a mini casino without the gamble um it’s a really cool experience are thedealers real parties are they computers so our merchants are the nfts um so we have sixlevels we have standard rare and ultra rare and then we have the holographic versions of thesame card so holographic standard for an ultra ram uh once you’re accommodating them so it’s webfree going to be web reconnected on the game it’s going to be instantly in your wallet you’renot going to hold from custodial um if you’re grasp the nft of one of the peddlers and they’rethere all sort of various things from you know we have beings to i don’t know all sorts of wehave everything um there it’s quite impressive uh and formerly you’re hampering them you are eligible to displaythem as the dealer of a table it will change the whole graphics not just the dealer uh andyou can sort of show off what you’re supporting um so it’s gonna deepen beings everyone on thetable can see generally what who you can choose to show it or not show it if you want to keep backum but it fully modifies the the graphics of the counter that you examined so it’s also prettycool with that one interesting so i’m a little unclear how you acquire the nfts like in a regulargame you’d earn the chippings but the chips aren’t really worth anything here is it the winner of thetournament gets the nft or the win of the games yeah so this is going to be it’s goingto be the winner of the tournament um and then this is going to depend so like i saidabout these pkr legislates so you can use our token to buy like a really basic pass which will letyou open the play to earn model or you can hold one of “the worlds largest” surpass um and then at the endwhen you’re win the tournament we’re exploiting um we actually have there’s four patents that arerun from pkreo um that’s sort of like our parent companionship we’re squandering their protocols um so it’sfully auditable uh so we can check it on the blockchain who won but um what you’re going towin at the end is it’s going to depend if you’re control the basic pass or the higher pass but youwill win the nfcs at the end of the tournament but that what what you’re going to win whether it’sgoing to be one of service standards or the hollow ones it’s going to depend sort of on what partsyou’re hampering or which risk you’re going to get so it’s free to play and anybody can play butif they want to earn the choice nfts they have to hold the sure-fire sum of your sign yeah so toenter the play to earn model like i think the buy we need to fix the price it’s going to beroughly five dollars usefulnes of pkr token uh that will get you so you can play completelyfree but you won’t make the nfts on this you’re just playing for enjoyable um and then i think it’sabout five dollars we’re going to placed it at the first position um and that will bring you into theplay to earn system and then we will increase it sort of on the same uh sort of on a linear scaleso you’ll have a ten dollar one fifteen dollar one uh and then we’ll bring it right up to anelite position for people who want to play um you know and really like play outfor these uh hollow ultra rare entities uh we did an auction simply to exam howmuch they would sell for an open seat uh and i think it was yeah it was 3.38 ethereumbut which at the time was about eleven thousand dollars um back in august uh so they have we’retrading they the ones that we’ve got we’ve given out ten in events they’re also beingtraded and sold on open sea between people uh so i think we’re going to have quite anactive marketplace outside of the game as well one of the things in block in uh blockchaingaming in general that i’m most drawn to is provably fair which the blockchain allows canyou talk about how poker scatter competition is provably fair yes so this is like i think one of the biggestthings that online casinos are facing like a lot of them are using the shot 256 hash and thenokay we can assure you the seed afterwards we have a wholly provably fair method forthe part activity um so is not merely are we going to take a hash so use a grain and then our own seedso people can check subsequentlies okay they match my hand was fair we’re then going to introduced this uhonto a smart contract on polygon so if people want to look back at the game that was played i don’tknow four years ago whatever you can still see that the game was played proverbially bad all ofthe hashes are going to be kept there and thanks to blockchain they’re not going anywhere um so ithink this system parties are using online casinos a great deal of them do use the you know user seedand then client grain which drives very well merely to check okay this was fam um but we’readding on this you know the blockchain element um thanks to having these stratum two solutionsit’s not a huge cost operate it on polygon and it exactly necessitates if consumers want to lookback at the paws or tables that were dallied a while ago they can still recognize everything was umunfairly there uh we also have um plainly people who are worried about random crowd generation orcards and things so our random amount generator is also run on polygon so that she uses therandom number generated from the block header so it’s also absolutely also auditable after onthis one so we got two perfectly uh open protocols for probably fair on that very cool i see somesome projects using order relate as random quantity generator is that i’m not a make but can youexplain what you guys do and how that’s different yeah so we’ve we’ve uh partnered with chainlink so what we have with chain link is so our parent busines pkr.o um they’ve developeda multi-crypto marketplace um and this is allowing you to use actual cryptocurrencies side by side sothis idea is it’s not actually part of poker.game um this is going to be used forother competitions and use this protocol um we had the issue was that you know if you haveuh if you’re moving around bitcoin ethereum or rend or whatever okay at the moment if you wantto move ethereum around people you know if you’re moving ten dollars between three peoplebouncing it around you’re compensate so much in gas um so we’ve worked with chain link to develop ourown kind of layer two arrangement so we’ll have like a poker backed ethereum or poker peg btc pokerpick xrp they’ll move around on our own record and then once at the end they’ll settle backonto the main chain um so that mode we’re solving all of the uh busines rewards while still maintaining itdecentralized uh so it’s something that we can’t put into our tournament um but we’re offering it toother gaming answers or e-commerce in the future awesome in a gap like lottery exclusively iknow it’s you know you said there’s you know it’s not really like true poker but it is poker thegame and i don’t know how you know the regulators look at this but in a cavity like gamblingspecifically that is so heavily settled is regulatory overreach a concern for you uhthis is like an issue that we’ve had to face like pretty heavily for the last couple of months um soin the end as long as we we’ve moved away at the beginning we will probably have been considereda gambling project so we’ve been really careful and we’ve been speaking to a lot of the legalguys likewise from law squads that have worked with coinbase and other other big companies to makesure that we are not a gambling project um so even though we’re poker the microchips have no valueum so when you’re you know you even if you go okay you have i don’t know 500 ships you want togo all in but even if you didn’t come out with 10 000 can you win but you’re not actually winningany anything from what you put in so we have had issues with regular with the existing regulations we havehad to be really careful to make sure that we want a fun activity we want a game that people can playand enjoy we don’t want to you know go okay we’re going to have to do this and do this and do thisjust because people are saying this is the rules so we sort of looked at axi infinity’s play-to-onemodel looked at the gambling the rules and we sat down and tried to work out where we couldfind a plaza that worked for other people and was still fun for everyone and still worked for us youknow we didn’t want to destroy our dream and simply create a model based on regulations um so we’vemanaged to create this nft play-to-one poker game where you can play poker uh you know you couldplay but you’re not lottery at all so it’s taken a lot of work and effort to find this sortof middle ground uh but i’m glad we got here and it does work really well um but yeah regulationsthey are hard especially uh in the us and homes like china um so we managed to get this now whereyou can play from anywhere in the world and you’re not actually uh cause the specific issues would you gointo your background in the team’s background a little more are you guys all texas oldham playersor developers or what’s your story uh yes so it’s a we are such an international team at academy umso uh the most of the team we got in are in the us uh i’m obviously british and um living in spainmy background was in decentralized finance so i was really acting and used to describe thetechnicalities of ethereum back in 2017 uh 2016 uh when smart contracts came out you know um and thensort of okay i moved away from it a little bit um simply during the bear market i stayed followingit i was still doing some work but not as much and then i’ve come back into itduring the last couple of years um and yeah as much as i love the decentralizationside i’ve just come to the conclusion the world is not ready for full decentralization yet um soi love working on this middle ground you know we’re sort of we’re not fully decentralizedyou know finance smart chain all of this there but i i love it we’re still cryptocurrency we’rethe same community we’re so much better inclusive now than we were back then um and it’s much moreuser-friendly than it was back then as well um from the rest of the team uh we got a lot ofuh we we got guys with 15 years in tech handling from the increase place i think we now have 16 full-time developers working on the actual game uh we’ve got about 30 34 full-timeemployees including marketing and business uh and they’re from all over the world now umreally we got a i would say from philippines to india to bangladesh to brazil uh to the us tothe uk um but we all wield really closely together you know it’s uh the team is really goodthe communication has done really well um and i think you know with the pandemiceveryone’s got more used to working in this remote situation i think this would have beenmore difficult uh three or four years earlier but here i am thinking with how it’s been um people have peopleare kind of used to working at home so it’s made up i’m not going to say the pandemic has madeour lives much easier for sure that’s not true but i think it’s made the working abilityin this remote place a lot easier and when you say the world isn’t ready for truedecentralization more is that based on ui ux i just don’t think i don’t think it would work uh like i i might youknow i had this uh kind of like full dream where everyone need now decentralized back in 2016 you know everything needs to be moved away from banks everything but i but actually when i when ilook at it this will be your own bank thing can be quite stressful to beings uh you know peoplelosing private keys parties not understanding what what they’re doing so i thinkhaving these pseudo-centralized structures you know you know and now with exchanges you knowactually having uh some kind of accountability coinbase finance you know i i bring you knowthis uh whole not your key is not your crypto it was possible to my stop my posture is still that but icompletely understand that you know for a lot of people it’s it’s quite traumatic and difficult soi’ve now sort of realized that uh moving to this middle ground firstly it’s probably the best stepum you know allowing these uh pseudo-centralized systems to work uh and then slowly if we if wedo move to a amply decentralized future i am only personally be happy but uh i have realized thatperhaps the world is not quite ready at this stage acknowledge you obstructing it real that’swhy we come to you man for the info my question is where is poker today inrelation to the goals of the company and what does success look like for poker in fiveyears it’s a good question like you know we’re we’re really excited right now we havethe beta launch coming on thursday we have a large centralized exchange announcementon friday um so between pkr token and the game we’re quite happy five years is a it’s a longtime in life and it’s a super long time in crypto um so i actually i’m pretty excited like we havewe want to make sure this recreation firstly is perfect um we have a lot of plans also we wantto introduce more activities to the ecosystem we want to have it so video games are attached youknow so you have the metapress factory you can sort of walk between between apartments and walkinto the next activity which allows you even relate the games together or divide and have tworooms and play this game two at the same time um we also have the idea of using thenfts why it is people um you are familiar with having concerns where you can eitherbattle or combat them or commerce them or we there are so many things we want to grow um andi think the idea really is to grow the system into grow multiple competitions and then bring it intoone big ecosystem so you’re walking into a huge gaming hall metaverse where you can play loadsof things um but hindering it all in one lieu so we’re gonna keep you know you’re gonna have lotsof options but it’s all in sort of into one locate inside as well the idea is that you canbe able to access sort of the uni swap ui within the metaverse you’re not gonnahave to come out so just trying to keep everything actually within one area um one littleworld um which is going to be completely poker i uh i just generally speaking i rightfully feel likei have a way better understanding of poker.game i do want to get to more bigpicture crypto sell questions but any anything we didn’t mention the aboutpoker.game that you’d like to mention yeah i entail i necessitate i hope that people are i have alook at some of the videos that we put out um if you haven’t signed up to the beta iwould recommend you to do it it is going to be limited uh how many people can join we’regoing to be increasing it every three days um but something to check out like youknow it’s going live on thursday uh i have a feeling it’s it’s gonna be prettyuh it’s gonna be pretty big uh so it’s quite i’m relatively roused start paying attention on that sideand for the tribes at home this video is probably going to drop around thursday friday around thattime so it’s possibly already existing right now yeah it’s like yeah that’s true yeah the uhso by now the game might be out you know we have an exchange announcement on fridayso we may have already announced that likewise um we got a surprise exchange listing todayum so we weren’t even mentioned about it so you’ll find that we are now on another centralizedexchange uh a greater one that uh scheduled us um precisely decided the roll are token due to the factthat we were trending so much recently on uh coin gecko and cmc uh so it’s nice to see that thegame growth side is going super well uh and then the marketing side on the pkr sign also isgoing really well so we’re sort of uh conserve both things yeah in a much steadier pace than a muchsteady very much faster charge than i anticipate all those tie-ups or the general links are downbelow big picture question somebody’s coming into the cryptocurrency space today what admonition wouldyou give to new people coming into cryptocurrency generally and what suggestion would you give to newpeople coming into play to earn tournaments as investors is interesting i think uh the same saying do yourown experiment uh you are familiar with people don’t say it as the same like it really is important to doyour own research i mean the amount of people who are shilling activities you know saying buythis coin it clangs really great but when you conducted an investigation into it you know the project doesn’thave any development doesn’t have any team so i think you know don’t parties shouldn’t rushinto buying things make sure you waste it got a couple of terms do your due diligence and thenget into it but remember that you know bitcoin and ethereum are at the top for a conclude uh ifyou’re getting into it firstly maybe play it safe but if you find research projects that you think islegitimate you researched it they have a team they are working on something you know justdon’t put in more than you can afford to lose and uh you know this is crypto rightnow it’s so volatile it’s so enjoyable there you can make one thousand dollars turn intoa hundred thousand dollars but too remember you are eligible to fix that one thousand dollars turninto ten uh so i think as long as parties are doing their own research and they’re actuallyinvesting in legitimate campaigns um i know that you have the shipping or shibuya and all theseblockiers are making a lot of money for people my hands are up on this like uh i love thememe objecting i stay away from it personally i find it entertaining uh but uh i have noidea how they can be worth so much money um but i would say stick toprojects that have real proliferation that’s the true gamble those memecoins because it’s truly hard to value that and as a follow-up when you say youknow do your own research your own due diligence what are some residences that you podcasts or newsoutlets that you like that you subscribe to yeah i convey principally i i’m encountering jobs myselfi planned i would find them i’m normally expending social media i signify if i find some if i’m you know i’mtalking on reddit or if i’m you know chatting to beings uh i’m not ascertain on titter but thenit’s you know check out their own website um don’t exactly trust what you read also straight awayon some websites you know but if you can see that they’ve had a road map and they’ve been deliveringso far and what they’ve uh you know on time or it doesn’t matter if they’re deliver late butthey are going to bring a produce so you can see there are parties working on it i would say thisis the best way podcasts and videos are are good um i mean you’ve got a lot of youtubers likeyou guys you’ve got over a million subscribers so uh like it’s cool plainly like you gotthis can be trusted but there’s also a great deal of youtubers that i wouldn’t trusti’m not gonna settled lists out but uh you know it’s it’s like the wildernes west yeahright now so uh don’t cartel everything you true 100 and i just want to point out you knowwhen we you know and for certain youtubers what works for an individual is very specificto that individual so even if something is right for somebody it’s not definitely right foranother person’s statu accurately and then final follow-up question for this big picture you knowbest advice to new people getting in when you say do your own due diligence do your own researchso important what let’s get even more specific now you concluded a legitimate campaign what do youlook for that say to you this might be a winner i think i mean if i let’s say i’ve obtain a projectthat looks like it’s actually working on what it’s doing uh you know when i like i want pokerright now i don’t know what you know when i the market detonator back in like september was like threemillion at the time there was 20 full-time staff working on it you know i think 12 of them onthe progress unit full hour on absurd device um when you got a project like that okayi make “ive seen” it obviously from within but if you did your work you know we were reallypublic and translucent with what we were doing um since then we’ve gone 12 x so i think you knowonce once you find the project and realise okay it’s about a 10 million marketplace detonator but it’s gotyou know it’s delivering on a huge on a huge scale okay it’s not promising the world countries is promisingrealistic goals and so far it’s doing its work if you have money that you can risk to lay in i meanyou know okay maybe you’re fund development projects but maybe you lose it you know it’s no guarantee buti i feel that i know there’s 13 000 campaigns now listed on coin market cap or something like thati would imagine that 60 of them have no work being done on them and probably 30 percent of theothers have little creation or at least a deliver not delivering predicts so i ithink it doesn’t take much to gaze and if you find some low-pitched market ceiling thing andyou have money or asset you are eligible to risk that okay it is it’s not a gamble but it it is highrisk uh of course i imply there’s no promise you’re gonna make money but uh here i am thinking these arethe projects that people should be looking for very cool um i i’ve been i really wanted toask you this question because you do have such a unique position you guys are building onethereum you’re on binance smart chain as well for this question let’s make ethereum out ofit um but for the other dapp pulpits would you time grade them based on just what you likeor what you see the best future in out of those pre-eminent smart contract platforms in space toughuh yeah from all of the brand-new evm like uh programmes it’s it’s it’s changed so much uh at first i wouldhave said polygon like if you’d have asked me like a month ago um now looking at it i i don’t knowsolana come so much attention uh and it can run smart contracts on evm and likewise under us it’sa little bit easier to use for developers so i think solana probably has a bright futureum but i i think for the decentralized area it’s gonna be thing “its probably” going tobe polygon they’re going to be pushing this you know genuinely decentralized thepure d5 people who are using carbonate uh probably going to be sticking on things likepolygon but i think for the gaming area and the side solana and potentially peace um aregonna be the ones in my opinion that are gonna are gonna be the yeah over the next fewmonths six months getting the most attention so polygon uh solana accord i presume bscas well because you guys are building on that yeah i symbolize bs bsc for me i is not goinganywhere i’d be a bsc i’ve they were the first people who you know matched much bnb came outwhat 2018 i think and it was on its own chain now it’s a maori chain but when they secreted financesmart chain last september well yeah yeah it’s been in merely over a year now um you know it wasthe first time beings realized that you can run a you’re running the ebm network all the smartcontracts are compatible so i think finance smart train won’t go anywhere for gaming butit’s not truly decentralized so i think for for games running play-to-one representations things likethat it’s got a really radiant future i don’t think it’s gonna stop flannel-cake swap is big um rightnow it’s been big because it launched really um but yeah it doesn’t have that amply decentralizedstructure because it has just the 21 nodes run by violence um so i have a feeling like it’s goingto be a mix for tournaments and things final and smart-alecky reform is perfectly fine and for those pushing d5i think it’s going to be more on the polygon slope interesting what about some of the othersthat have gained favor in the past year or two such as cardano or elrond or cosmos or phantomany thinkings on those uh i loved cardano like when i was following the project developmentages ago but i think it just got it took so long to get to the point that it’shard to get the smart contracts operating and even now that the smart contracts are liveon the pulpit it’s running smart contracts on a on a utxo programme to me i it’s just not at thesame level as even ethereum okay ethereum as the gatsby publish but it it time it got the rightproduct probably but uh time a couple of even if it delivered this two years ago it wouldhave been you know the biggest thing finance smart chain would have been forgotten but ithink they just made a little bit too long on growing they might come out and surpriseme um let’s see uh i i really like charles when he started working on it but uh let’s let’ssee what they deliver for sure i i i agree with that general feeling um five to keep on theradar um connor expressed appreciation for so much better for taking the time with us um your links are down below finalthoughts for the altcoin daily public yeah chaps checkpoker.com out uh have a look at the websitecheck out the you know sign up for the newsletter sign up for the beta game and uh we’ll see youin the metaverse and thank you aaron and austin
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